Indiana Constitutional Carry - HB1022 (2018)

[jamil]

This was a strange one out of Utah:

So basically. You can carry a firearm without a permit but you have to tie one arm behind your back to give the bad guys a fair chance.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

So basically. You can carry a firearm without a permit but you have to tie one arm behind your back to give the bad guys a fair chance.

Goofy Mormon rules on booze and guns out there.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Some. Here's a slightly oudated breakdown. https://www.concealedcarry.com/reciprocity/constitutional-carry-state-by-state/

So basically. You can carry a firearm without a permit but you have to tie one arm behind your back to give the bad guys a fair chance.

Goofy Mormon rules on booze and guns out there.

I've talked to a few people and we've even had a few here on INGO that would have seen the wisdom in such a requirement.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I've talked to a few people and we've even had a few here on INGO that would have seen the wisdom in such a requirement.

Rules are always for The Other. I am plenty responsible enough, but those Others . . . they need regulating.

 

[KellyinAvon]

So basically. You can carry a firearm without a permit but you have to tie one arm behind your back to give the bad guys a fair chance.

Two words: Colt Peacemaker.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Some. Here's a slightly oudated breakdown. https://www.concealedcarry.com/reciprocity/constitutional-carry-state-by-state/

So basically. You can carry a firearm without a permit but you have to tie one arm behind your back to give the bad guys a fair chance.

Goofy Mormon rules on booze and guns out there.

Rules are always for The Other. I am plenty responsible enough, but those Others . . . they need regulating.

First: Note how I selected a multi-quote a few posts ago and it keeps persisting even though I leave this page and come back---weird.

Second: Yes. True more often than not.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Wednesday is day after tomorrow and that's pretty short notice. I'd already talked to my boss about it so I'll be there. Who else we got? We need all the attorneys plus everybody else who can break free and be there. Where is 156-B? Is that in the scary basement?

 

[jamil]

Goofy Mormon rules on booze and guns out there.

I know. It's a shame. I love it out there other than the quirky laws. That's one of the few states I'd consider moving to if I hit the lottery.

First: Note how I selected a multi-quote a few posts ago and it keeps persisting even though I leave this page and come back---weird.

Second: Yes. True more often than not.

Use the links to those quotes to visit each one and uncheck the multi-quote. It seems to be persisting the multi-quote--not just in the session, unless VBulletin sessions are ridiculously long. Normally the thing should clear the checked boxes when you submit. So it seems it is some VB poopyness.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Some. Here's a slightly oudated breakdown. https://www.concealedcarry.com/reciprocity/constitutional-carry-state-by-state/

So basically. You can carry a firearm without a permit but you have to tie one arm behind your back to give the bad guys a fair chance.

Goofy Mormon rules on booze and guns out there.

I know. It's a shame. I love it out there other than the quirky laws. That's one of the few states I'd consider moving to if I hit the lottery.



Use the links to those quotes to visit each one and uncheck the multi-quote. It seems to be persisting the multi-quote--not just in the session, unless VBulletin sessions are ridiculously long. Normally the thing should clear the checked boxes when you submit. So it seems it is some VB poopyness.

I think it might clear if you restart your browser too...I'll check.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Some. Here's a slightly oudated breakdown. https://www.concealedcarry.com/reciprocity/constitutional-carry-state-by-state/

So basically. You can carry a firearm without a permit but you have to tie one arm behind your back to give the bad guys a fair chance.

Goofy Mormon rules on booze and guns out there.

I think it might clear if you restart your browser too...I'll check.

Nope...that didn't do it.

 

[jamil]

Nope...that didn't do it.

Told you. I've been through this too.

I think that when you click on the multi-quote checkbox the page submits that via agax to the server, and then the fact that it's checked is persisted. At first I thought maybe it was persisted in the session, which a browser reset would clear. But it survives that, so it has to be persisted in a permanent store, like a database. So days later, many posts later, browser restarts, whatever, that checkbox is sometimes like a sticky booger once you check it. It doesn't always do this. But when it does, it's annoying.

Like I said, since you have the quotes handy right above this post, click the "view post" link in the quote to go to the orignal post, you'll likely see the multi-quote box checked. Uncheck it. Then it'll be gone.

 

[Fargo]

Wednesday is day after tomorrow and that's pretty short notice. I'd already talked to my boss about it so I'll be there. Who else we got? We need all the attorneys plus everybody else who can break free and be there. Where is 156-B? Is that in the scary basement?

It looks like I've got my court covered, so I should be able to be there. Spoke to the local rep today, and it sounds like they're going to discuss the booze bills before they move on to the gun stuff.

 

[HKUSP]

Well, if you get to talk to any more reps before that happens, make sure to emphasize that Indiana is looking like a laughing stock with it's arcane, prohibitionistic, and obviously corrupt bought and paid for by the liquor lobby resistance to joining the rest of the country with common sense alcohol laws. #coldbeeronsundayeverywhere

As to Constitutional Carry.... I would love them to get this right. Not only for fellow Indiana residents, but for all of our fellow Americans who happen to be here for whatever reason. Some states that have gone Constitutional carry have taken that leap of faith, and I don't see them rolling it back. Others only see fit to trust their own residents with such an important right. I don't understand that particular restriction. Doesn't a prohibited person from anywhere pop up in a background check? Do this right, Indiana. Give me something else to brag about to my friends that live out of state. Trust the rest of America. We're stuck in the middle of it anyway.

 

[KellyinAvon]

It looks like I've got my court covered, so I should be able to be there. Spoke to the local rep today, and it sounds like they're going to discuss the booze bills before they move on to the gun stuff.

Get Sunday sales tightened up, then on to ConC.

 

[brotherbill3]

156 is in the basement. I will try but no guarantees that I can make it. Gonna get more info spread today. They have next week yet, IIRC. Let's get this done.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I've got to work that day. Last year was the first time I'd ever made to a hearing. It was interesting and I got to meet some more INGOers face to face...+1 all the way around.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Told you. I've been through this too.

I think that when you click on the multi-quote checkbox the page submits that via agax to the server, and then the fact that it's checked is persisted. At first I thought maybe it was persisted in the session, which a browser reset would clear. But it survives that, so it has to be persisted in a permanent store, like a database. So days later, many posts later, browser restarts, whatever, that checkbox is sometimes like a sticky booger once you check it. It doesn't always do this. But when it does, it's annoying.

Like I said, since you have the quotes handy right above this post, click the "view post" link in the quote to go to the orignal post, you'll likely see the multi-quote box checked. Uncheck it. Then it'll be gone.

OK. OK. OK...you were right. I was thinking I'd gotten to clear without any intentional intervention before. They were still checked when I went back to them.

 

[JeremiahJohnson]

This is what Jim Lucas posted on the book of faces last night, "HB1424, Constitutional Carry, will be heard this Wednesday in the House Public Policy Committee!" Sounds like everyone knows that.

So, most of the language concerning constitutional carry is in HB1424...anyone want to take a quick stab at what else is in HB1424?

 

[KellyinAvon]

This is what Jim Lucas posted on the book of faces last night, "HB1424, Constitutional Carry, will be heard this Wednesday in the House Public Policy Committee!" Sounds like everyone knows that.

So, most of the language concerning constitutional carry is in HB1424...anyone want to take a quick stab at what else is in HB1424?

See this thread post #78

 

[brotherbill3]

See this thread post #78

KellyInAvon (why do I feel like speaking in Shakespeareze sometimes w/ you)

and others: Have (any) of you seen a message from "Hoosier Carry" -

It claims this is ConC but with Mental Health restrictions:

BB3,

We been warning about the potential for a "Compromise Carry" bill since the summer study committee was created last spring.


“Compromise Carry” is a permit-less carry bill, like “Constitutional Carry” but with gun control added.


Well now it is here, HB 1424, and it is scheduled for a hearing in the House Public Policy Committee tomorrow. While this bill is technically permit-less carry it has several problems:


HB 1424 contains mental health provisions that can cost law-abiding gun owners the loss of their gun rights WITHOUT due process. The language may even be more broad than Obama's Veterans and Social Security gun bans.


There are also provisions concerning protective orders where anyone, not just household members, could get a protective order entered by a judge at a secret hearing that you are not even aware of that would suspend your right to carry.


The state will still require you to carry a state ID at all times when carrying a firearm, and will penalize law-abiding gun owners for no other reason than failing to do so.


As-is if HB 1424 is passed, Indiana would become a “Constitutional Carry” state, but perhaps the most restrictive state of any that have passed it so far.


HB 1424 MUST be fixed before it leaves committee.


Call Rep. Tim Wesco, the bill's author and Vice-Chairman of the Public Policy committee, and tell him we want Constitutional Carry WITHOUT COMPROMISE; fix the bill before voting it out of committee.


Then contact Rep. Ben Smaltz, the Public Policy Chairman and a co-author on the bill, and tell him the same.

I do not recall the mental health restrictions being added? I need to go look again.
and I've seen precisely 1 person (outside of here) make a big deal about the ID - stating something about he cannot get an ID due to some records issues since 9/11 ... seems like an ODD thing ...

Almost tempted to call out hoosier carry - "AGAIN" - they were part of the whole NAGR issue w/ Mr Lucas Last year ... kind off kick started it for NAGR (co-affiliated?) ... anyway. ...