The 2017 General Political Discussion Thread

[ArcadiaGP]

WaPo's headline says the "entire senior management state department..." resigned.

That's incredibly inaccurate.

Four people. Also, more perspective... There are presidential appointees that offer resignation upon every new administration. It's a completely normal thing.

 

[chipbennett]

WaPo's headline says the "entire senior management state department..." resigned.

That's incredibly inaccurate.

Four people. Also, more perspective... There are presidential appointees that offer resignation upon every new administration. It's a completely normal thing.

Miguel started a post about this, specifically. I just wanted to say: cool org chart! Really puts the firings in perspective.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

And, in WaPo's article that says they were all "career" employees, it also states:

One senior State Department official who responded to my requests for comment said that all the officials had previously submitted their letters of resignation, as was required for all positions that are appointed by the president and that require confirmation by the Senate, known as PAS positions.

Those aren't career positions, those positions serve at the pleasure of the President.

Add that to the Org chart that shows it is not ALL SENIOR MANAGEMENT, I think that qualifies the WaPo article as FAKE NEWS, lol!

 

[jamil]

If your neighbor, his kids, or his dogs were trespassing on your property, damaging your property, eating your food, running up your light and water bills, stealing your property, and raping and killing your family - just hazarding a guess here - you would probably have grounds to sue your neighbor for damages, resulting in financial recompense.

So, let's sue Mexico.

 

[jamil]

Miguel started a post about this, specifically. I just wanted to say: cool org chart! Really puts the firings in perspective.

I might have to update my Trump rating another point upward.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

White House calling for 20 percent tax on imports from Mexico to pay for southern border wall. Spicer talking about border adjustment tax.

 

[jamil]

White House calling for 20 percent tax on imports from Mexico to pay for southern border wall. Spicer talking about border adjustment tax.

So basically Americans who consume Mexican goods will pay for the wall. Well, we're gonna pay for it either way. I just wish he'd be up front about that. I'm gonna go with a -1 here.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

So basically Americans who consume Mexican goods will pay for the wall. Well, we're gonna pay for it either way. I just wish he'd be up front about that. I'm gonna go with a -1 here.

Feels like "We're gonna make Mexico pay for it" over and over... then flipping to "Oh, you're going to pay for it, Americans." is worth a bit more than a 1. But that's just me.

 

[JTScribe]

Feels like "We're gonna make Mexico pay for it" over and over... then flipping to "Oh, you're going to pay for it, Americans." is worth a bit more than a 1. But that's just me.

How much do we pay already in terms of fraudulent benefits, medical care, etc?

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

 

[ArcadiaGP]

How much do we pay already in terms of fraudulent benefits, medical care, etc?

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

Oh I don't disagree there, but do you think the average American will understand that? Will they accept an unseen cost, and assume it's being alleviated?

 

[BugI02]

Oh I don't disagree there, but do you think the average American will understand that? Will they accept an unseen cost, and assume it's being alleviated?

Well, many of them seem to think a 5% cut in a bloated federal department's budget that was scheduled to increase by 15% is an actual reduction in expenditures so ... yeah

 

[jamil]

Feels like "We're gonna make Mexico pay for it" over and over... then flipping to "Oh, you're going to pay for it, Americans." is worth a bit more than a 1. But that's just me.

It's just talk at this point. I don't rep him either way just because he said he's going to do something.

 

[jamil]

How much do we pay already in terms of fraudulent benefits, medical care, etc?

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

Like I said elsewhere, I just want us to go back to being a nation of laws. If it's illegal to be here, I'm not convinced that we can deport everyone, but certainly no benefits paid for by tax payers.

 

[Phase2]

Like I said elsewhere, I just want us to go back to being a nation of laws. If it's illegal to be here, I'm not convinced that we can deport everyone, but certainly no benefits paid for by tax payers.

You really don't have to do most of it via deportation. People who can't get jobs because laws about employing illegals (which start at a $10,000 penalty) are suddenly being enforced and losing various welfare program benefits will do the bulk of the job.

 

[jamil]

You really don't have to do most of it via deportation. People who can't get jobs because laws about employing illegals (which start at a $10,000 penalty) are suddenly being enforced and losing various welfare program benefits will do the bulk of the job.

Or, so goes the theory. I am skeptical of its practicality.

 

[HoughMade]

So basically Americans who consume Mexican goods will pay for the wall. Well, we're gonna pay for it either way. I just wish he'd be up front about that. I'm gonna go with a -1 here.

What if passing the cost directly along makes Mexican good less competitive compared to China, any other country or the U.S.?

 

[jamil]

What if passing the cost directly along makes Mexican good less competitive compared to China, any other country or the U.S.?

Shipping costs probably figure into that. But it probably depends how much he's gonna tariff ChiYNA.

 

[Alpo]

What happened to all the free trade libertarians?

 

[HoughMade]

Shipping costs probably figure into that. But it probably depends how much he's gonna tariff ChiYNA.

We already have tariffs on China....and we have the Pacific Ocean to do the wall duties.

 

[BugI02]

What happened to all the free trade libertarians?

They were GOPe sock puppets