Milwaukee gun shop must pay ~$6 million to cops wounded by gun bought there

[ArcadiaGP]

What say you, INGO?

Attorneys make closing cases in trial of Wisconsin gun shop

 

[flatlander]

Badger Guns verdict

They were found liable for the shooting of the 2 police officers in Milwaukee. Will this cause issues for the future suits by victims?
BTW, this was all about straw purchases. I seem to remember a thread about that occuring at the 1500 and people thought it was no big deal. Wonder if Badger agrees or if the opinions are still the same.

Bob

http://fox6now.com/2015/10/13/break...s-civil-trial-jury-due-in-court-around-5-p-m/

 

[Bfish]

Well did they do something wrong/illegal by/in supplying the shooters with the guns used in the crime?

You have a link to anything?

Edit: Looks like they encouraged a straw purchase... So they did do something wrong but 6 million is a lot of money. You'd think there would be some other form of discipline. It'll knock them out of business surely.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...ops-wounded-gun-bought-there.html#post6123737

another thread just got going on this too

 

[Bfish]

I just saw another thread on this and from my searching they are saying that the shop encouraged a straw purchase... And that is a no, no. However I read your link and while it seems slanted, it also seems the gun shop was in the wrong. But who knows, not saying they should have to pay 6 million either, it's just hard to know without being privy to the details.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...t/395808-badger-guns-verdict.html#post6123731

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

That article makes it sound pretty damning against that gun store. If they really were sloppy or neglignent with straw purchases, they should be punished. But we really don't know anything other than what was printed in that story.

 

[Vince49]

Don's North

I am familiar with this store, daughter lives in Milwaukee. This store is the Don's Guns of Milwaukee so not surprising.

 

[Bfish]

Cool that's the link I read too! It'll be interesting to hear some more details and reasonings. Other thread says it's like the Don's Guns of that area.

 

[Bfish]

I am familiar with this store, daughter lives in Milwaukee. This store is the Don's Guns of Milwaukee so not surprising.

It's starting to make more sense...

 

[flatlander]

From the video, it appears, that this was pretty obviously a straw purchase. There was also a pic of the 4473 that was a mess with crossed out/ corrected info. Kinda what was talked about in another thread about a straw purchase at the 1500. People were all butt hurt saying mind your own buisness etc but THIS is what happens when a bad dealer is allowed to do illeagal transactions and nobody says a word. The timing on this couldn't have been any worse given todays climate.

Bob

 

[Bfish]

From the video, it appears, that this was pretty obviously a straw purchase. There was also a pic of the 4473 that was a mess with crossed out/ corrected info. Kinda what was talked about in another thread about a straw purchase at the 1500. People were all butt hurt saying mind your own buisness etc but THIS is what happens when a bad dealer is allowed to do illeagal transactions and nobody says a word. The timing on this couldn't have been any worse given todays climate.
Bob

Agreed...

 

[flatlander]

Going to ask this to be merged.

Bob

 

[Goodcat]

Again going off of only what we're reading, if they were encouraging straw purchases, I say let em be punished to the extent the court system grants. If this were on a technicality, I'd be all for them. Worst timing agreed, but if they did encourage straw purchases and get off with a slap, it would encourage blatent straw purchases.

 

[DRob]

I think I heard this here..........Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Gun shops are not immune!

 

[printcraft]

**** like that makes it harder for legitimate gun shops in today's climate to do business.
If they are guilty no sympathy!

 

[LP1]

Based on what I've seen / heard, the case looks legit. It could be a positive - shows that enforcing existing laws can help. Might make shops think twice about straw purchases.

 

[KG1]

Based on what I've seen / heard, the case looks legit. It could be a positive - shows that enforcing existing laws can help. Might make shops think twice about straw purchases.

Yep. That's what a lot of pro 2A advocates have been saying. No need for new laws. There are plenty of laws on the books. ENFORCE existing laws.

 

[Leo]

I think the Badger Firearms ruling will be the "camels nose under the tent" to collapse the firearms industry. The shop may have been liable for violating Federal laws in commerce of weaponry, but they were not the criminals that used the firearms against the Peace officer.

The NICS system has holes in it caused by hipa laws having to do with mental health. As this case becomes precedent, every person in the legitimate commerce of firearms or ammo could be held liable. The court system can take down the firearms industry like yanking a zipper.

"Honest judge, those people I ran over while driving drunk would be alive today if The Chevy dealer didn't sell the car I was driving to my dad"

 

[IndyDave1776]

Yep. That's what a lot of pro 2A advocates have been saying. No need for new laws. There are plenty of laws on the books. ENFORCE existing laws.

I think the Badger Firearms ruling will be the "camels nose under the tent" to collapse the firearms industry. The shop may have been liable for violating Federal laws in commerce of weaponry, but they were not the criminals that used the firearms against the Peace officer.

The NICS system has holes in it caused by hipa laws having to do with mental health. As this case becomes precedent, every person in the legitimate commerce of firearms or ammo could be held liable. The court system can take down the firearms industry like yanking a zipper.

"Honest judge, those people I ran over while driving drunk would be alive today if The Chevy dealer didn't sell the car I was driving to my dad"

Right here you have it, folks. First, what would be the case if the other side were being truthful regarding its intentions, and second the outcome of the opposition's actual disingenuous use of public-safety-oriented arguments against guns. They don't want the problem fixed and more than Jackson and Sharpton want an end to racial strife because that would cut out from under them the justification for the outcome they actually want which has little to do with the proffered argument.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I think the Badger Firearms ruling will be the "camels nose under the tent" to collapse the firearms industry.

Only the gun shop is being sued.

The shop may have been liable for violating Federal laws in commerce of weaponry, but they were not the criminals that used the firearms against the Peace officer.

Well, no one said that the shop used the firearms against the officers. But you can be negligent for allowing a firearm to fall into the hands of a criminal.

As this case becomes precedent,

I don't foresee this case going up to the Wisconsin Court of Appeals.

The court system can take down the firearms industry like yanking a zipper.

I think you overstate the impact of the jury's finding.

 

[chipbennett]

The concept of prohibiting "straw purchases" is unconstitutional, because the concept of "prohibited persons" is unconstitutional. The right to keep and bear arms is a natural and civil right that is constitutionally protected against infringement.