What is the FASCINATION with people open carrying?

[mbills2223]

Mosinguy will be so upset that you just took his place in my .sig

Good for you! I prefer Vodka over Tequila... Now we've both shared something personal!
Mosinguy, mbills2223, and myself are all one in the same didn't you know?

Just when I/we thought people were about to forget...

 

[MikeDVB]

Just when I/we thought people were about to forget...

Well why did you bring it up in this thread then? Sheesh... We almost... I mean I... almost got away with it!

 

[mbills2223]

Well why did you bring it up in this thread then? Sheesh... We almost... I mean I... almost got away with it!

*Frantically switching shill accounts to go back and edit all our...my posts.*

 

[Mackey]

All I know is

 

[MikeDVB]

All I know is

That's it?

 

[MTC]

Dunno, maybe true 'cop wannabes'?

No. Like you said, you "dunno".

... 'cause there's invariably some 'shout' about "I have the RIGHT!"

Which is ironic 'cause neither the U.S. nor Indiana Constitutions say that, and the 'right' doesn't exist.

False. Notwithstanding the various legislative infringements rendering the formerly affirmed right into a privilege (such as being required to apply for a permission slip to carry one's sidearm on or about one's person while off one's property, e.g. IC 35-47-2-1), see

Constititution for the United States

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Indiana Constitution
Article I

Section 32. The people shall have a right to bear arms, for the defense of themselves and the State.

SOME claim "it's more comfortable", but that's not necessarily correct. Typically OWB is more comfortable than IWB, and that can be done just as easily CC'ing, as well as OC.

Your second sentence contradicts the first. OWB is undoubtedly more comfortable than IWB, no matter how many claim otherwise to justify their preference. (and I CC most all the time, for other reasons)

SOME claim "I can get to my gun faster", but that's been repeatedly been proven not to necessarily be true, either.

All other factors being equal, it is most certainly true.

What, are they having the 'showdown at high noon in Dodge City'? Talk about the 'cop wannabe' syndrome, LOL.

Heckler's veto via ridicule.

There's some other, even less viable 'justifications' made, and these folks appear to be pretty hardcore about 'proving' their perspective(s) is are 'right'.

That's just it. They shouldn't be called on to "justify" or "prove" anything.

But the facts just don't appear to beat out the rhetoric. Doesn't appear to make a difference, as it appears their objective is to be confrontational at every instance, even when no confrontation previously existed. Oh well, every group has it 'nuts' and we have ours!

If you are a supporter of gun control, there is no "we". While being confrontational just for the sake of doing so is generally not recommended, those "other" folks simply want to exercise their [STRIKE]rights[/STRIKE], or privileges as they may be, while not being harassed.

So, it usually comes down to the fact they WANT to OC. Which is fine, and the Constitutions are silent on the matter. But, there is no 'right' provided for it.

False, as already shown.

Despite the rants and rhetoric and derogatory commentary about 'cop wannabes', if ANY action could be labeled as 'cop wannabe', it would OC'ing in most circumstances. Much more so than someone CC'ing that wears an LTCH badge in case they inadvertently print or flash a pistol. FAR more so.

No, again. If anything, non-sworn officers CCing with a "badge" are usually ridiculed for the same or similar. Separate issue for another thread.

Personally, I could care less which way someone carries. OC to / from the range, while hunting, at shooting events, etc. all make perfect sense. Going to the local grocery store or restaurant just has the 'cop wannabe' appearance all over it, and they're perceived exactly as such no matter what rhetoric they try to elaborate to justify it.

You evidently do care which way someone carries, as shown by your efforts to ridicule the manner of carry with which you disapprove.

As for challenges from LEO's or non-gun civilians, well, they're creating the situation, so I see no reason to empathize if someone is complaining or whining about it, as the case may be.

The whining and complaining is being done by those who make the MWAG calls in order to get the cops to enforce their busybody tyrannical whims, and/or gun owners for gun control who display the same sentiments by haranguing OCers to "cover that thing up!"

While I agree with their ability to OC, I also firmly believe they're NOT benefitting the gun community, or the greater community as a whole.

While I might take issue with a few of them, one thing is beyond dispute. If people don't become accustomed to seeing "regular folks" carrying guns, it will never become the norm, as it once was.

Of course, USUALLY the response to that accurate observation is "I don't give a damn what anyone else thinks or if anyone else cares 'cause I have the right!" Which really isn't accurate.

Again, as has already been shown, they most certainly do. Some folks, including unfortunalety many gun owners, just have to express their disapproval of others' mode of carry. They, as well as those phoning in the MWAG calls, need to be reminded or told directly - or in so many words - to STFU & MYOB.

THEN they wonder why non-gun people want to take away their guns?

Newsflash: most non-gun people don't want anyone other than the police and military to bear arms.

 

[Bill of Rights]

Show me where it is specifically written down that it is specifically a right.

Can you?

No more than you can show me where it is specifically written down that it is specifically a right for you to wear a red shirt or to attempt to post in an internet forum, and yet here you are. It would be "written down" if it were prohibited. Laws do not tell us what is allowed, they tell us what is disallowed. Anything not *unlawful* is lawful by default.

With a permit only, unless you wanna walk down the street with a long gun. It is a privilege to carry a hand gun in public, not a right.

A right it is, however that right has been infringed in conflict with the US and Indiana Constitutions.

Wow, threads still not locked. Who'd thought?

Well... unless you count trolling, and I am granting the benefit of the doubt that the member is not doing so, I haven't seen a rule violation for which he's not already been corrected.

That said... OP?

Blessings,
Bill

 

[Spike_351]

You may have a couple hundred posts on him, but he's got a couple years on you...

I actually didnt notice that, my apologies....

 

[Hack966]

Can't we all agree to JFC all the time?
OC, CC, who cares? JFC!!

 

[Scutter01]

Can't we all agree to JFC all the time?
OC, CC, who cares? JFC!!

There will always be someone ready to tell you that you are doing it wrong, no matter what it is, and no matter if it's any of their business.

 

[LockStocksAndBarrel]

Well it has been said and insinuated by fw that because I (and others) open open carry, I'm a "nut", a "cop wannabe", attention whore and an "idiot".

I'm taking my ball and going home and from now on I'm going to hide my gun.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

People. Please stop responding to this thread. Needs to be deleted. Stop feeding the troll.

 

[Spike_351]

While your fascination seems to be with concealing, many of us just don't take that extra step of hiding what we carry.

There's really not much to understand, there are many possible reasons and preferences for any given individual to decide if concealing is a priority or even a thought for them.

To worry about or even hold others in disdain for not sharing your same level of priority for concealment, while fairly common, will always seem odd to me.



This is a common statement as well, but for the life of me, I just can't figure out how it pertains to one's OC/CC choice.

We CAN also conceal if we want to, but just because we can doesn't mean we should, right?

Why bring up something so easily reversed and lacking any actual point?

what took you so long, your usually very prompt to resond to an oc/cc debate

 

[IndyBeerman]

 

[jgreiner]

I have never understood that fascination. Why anyone would WANT to draw attention to themselves in that manner? I've read many posts by people who say they were "contacted" by Law Enforcement and don't understand why? I for one DO NOT WANT THAT ATTENTION! I also don't want any potential "Thugs" to know I have it either. Anyone? Anyone?

It's quite obvious that you don't GET it. We don't OC for the attention. We OC because it is by FAR the most COMFORTABLE way to carry. At least that is why I do.

We understand that you are timid and afraid of scrutiny. That is okay....it takes all types.

 

[Birds Away]

Yesterday I was very happy to read about the poll results on PoliceOne. It was very encouraging to read that a very high percentage of respondents supported our 2A rights. But just when I feel that my opinion has been reenforced that the vast majority of LEOs are really good people just trying to do the job...this guy comes along.

For every six or eight good LEOs there are one or two JBTs like this guy who want to be able to force their opinions on everyone else.

 

[dusterboy49]

The OP is just trolling.

 

[CathyInBlue]

There will always be someone ready to tell you that you are doing it wrong, no matter what it is, and no matter if it's any of their business.

You see that thing you're doing with your nose and your lungs?

"Breathing?"

Yeah, you're doing it wrong.

 

[buckstopshere]

The bottom line for me is this, I carry more often when I OC.

It's more comfortable and yes, I know that having the firearm is supposed to be comforting not necessarily comfortable but that's just the way it is for me.

If I am going somewhere I have to CC, I grab my shield and do it but I rarely visit those places anyway.

I could not care less about attention which is a good thing because I don't ever get any when I OC. I have had 1 lady at Meijer thank me for carrying, one kid tell me my gun was cool and some lady tell me it was "hot" that I carried a gun. Lots of Greenwood police officers or johnson county sheriffs deputies have walked by me and didn't make me eat pavement or even give me a second look.

Flat out, I am just not interested in what you or anyone else thinks about my choice in how I defend myself and my family. I also am not at all interested in how you or anyone else chooses to carry or doesn't. I'm not interested in who gets offended or who thinks its cool.

IMO, there is no high ground in the OC/CC debate. The fact that one chooses to carry means that if something goes down, I will have back up or will be back up and that's comforting.

 

[KG1]

This has got me so upset that I just sold all my guns. (Except for the chrome plated 50 AE Desert Eagle, which I will OC everywhere I go)