Profiteering Off Personal Protection

[Mrkeller]

No. Buying one for double the price is stupid.

So it trolling a forum.

 

[Solitaire]

So it trolling a forum.

You'd better stop then. INGO doesn't like socialists who demand price-fixing and whine about fairness in the marketplace.

Get right with the hive mind, or go back under your bridge.

 

[bwframe]

...INGO doesn't like socialists...

When did you start speaking for INGO?

 

[Solitaire]

When did you start speaking for INGO?

Reach back and unbunch your panties. It's a joke, although you can't deny the anti-socialist bent of this forum.

Try as I might in this life, I fear I shall never reach the lofty and important position of speaking for INGO. Alas, I must settle for lesser accomplishments, like the acquisition of a McRib for lunch, or the noble goal of getting out of bed before 10:00 on my day off.

 

[Zoub]

I am sorry, but I disagree.

First of all, the whole "community" angle your pushing is purely socialist BS. It is not my responsibility to worry about those who are unprepared. Nor, is it my problem to concern myself with those who have finally seen the light and have just started their "collection".

Now, before you get on your high horse and make some incorrect assumptions about me, I am more than happy to educate folks and give advice on firearms subjects that I know well, for free I might add. But if some slack jawed, booger eatin,' mouth breather of a moron, wants to jump into the fray without educating themselves, well, I offer zero remorse.

The fact is, in the real world, life is not fair and can be cruel, dangerous and expensive to the stupid and uninformed. I suggest asking a lot of questions, do some serious research and wear a helmet.

Fixed it for you

 

[arthrimus]

This is kinda silly guys. If you NEED an AR-15 then budget for one. If it is important enough to you that you need to make sacrifices in other areas of life to get one then do it. If not then stop whining. This is the free market, this is supply and demand. Demand is high, supply is not equal to demand, prices go up in order to reduce demand.

I have an AR that I could make a tidy profit from, but I wont be selling it. You know why? Because it was given to me by my father, and it will be given to my son some day AWBs be damned. I also have an AK-74 that I luckily built right before all this insanity, I built it specifically to plink with for a bit then sell. Market conditions offer me the chance to profit substantially on that investment and I would be a fool not to take advantage of it. The difference is that I value the sentiment attached to my AR more than the profit it could bring, I don't, however value anything about the AK more than the profit that it will bring. Whoever buys it from me however, clearly does value it that much.

If the person I sell it to values it enough to pay the price, and the person that I don't sell it to does not value it that much, then who has been wronged here? Do you have a right to my AK even if you don't have the money it demands, just because you want it? Do you need my AK? If your not willing to pay the market rate then clearly you don't.

Either support the free market or don't. If you like the free market when it's going your way, then you also aught to like it when it's not. I've been there plenty of times, last month I sold a 1911 for much less than I could have this month. It sucks sometimes, but I like the freedom of the free market more than I hate when it doesn't go my way.

 

[Mrkeller]

Not saying I disagree with the arguments on "free market", just remember what you say when you **** and moan about gas prices.

 

[jimbolucky13]

Not saying I disagree with the arguments on "free market", just remember what you say when you **** and moan about gas prices.

That's funny

 

[Solitaire]

Not saying I disagree with the arguments on "free market", just remember what you say when you **** and moan about gas prices.

You think gas prices are free market?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Not saying I disagree with the arguments on "free market", just remember what you say when you **** and moan about gas prices.

You should disagree. The hysteria we find ourselves currently in, ISN'T based on the teachings of free market Laissez Faire (govt non-interference in business) Capitalism. Capitalism is based on two knowledgeable parties coming to an agreement on price. What has been created is artifical price pressures that are primarily founded on the beliefs of the ignorant. This ignorance, in turn, allows the seller to name their price.

 

[Rob377]

You should disagree. The hysteria we find ourselves currently in, ISN'T based on the teachings of free market Laissez Faire (govt non-interference in business) Capitalism. Capitalism is based on two knowledgeable parties coming to an agreement on price. What has been created is artifical price pressures that are primarily founded on the beliefs of the ignorant. This ignorance, in turn, allows the seller to name their price.

You might think they're ignorant, but they just might be better at reading the tea leaves of future supply (none-banned) than others.

We'll find out soon enough.

FTR - I don't think the free market requires people to give up their right to express an opinion on the propriety of otherwise legal sales tactics.

 

[bwframe]

Reach back and unbunch your panties. It's a joke, although you can't deny the anti-socialist bent of this forum...

It was just a question. Who should unbunch?

Now you see, this is why I invited you out of that harsh politics section of INGO. We are a bit more civil out here in the light of day. I guess that doesn't mean that you still aren't dragging around the baggage of your past behavior?

BTW - I do like jokes, when they are jokes .

 

[Liberty1911]

This thread is a good example of what's wrong with people at a basic level, and why we're in the state we're in as a country.

At it's core, people are upset at two things:

1. They think people selling are being "greedy"

2. They think people buying are being "stupid"

The people who are upset assume they are morally and intellectually superior.

They then feel justified taking rights away from others because of their moral and intellectual superiority.

This is why we lose our freedoms.

These people get 51% of the population to agree, and by force of law, they try to rid the world of greed and stupidity by enslaving others to their sense of moral and intellectual superiority.

 

[ZX-14R]

However, I disagree that you can't get quality firearms for personal protection at a reasonable price, even during this bubble. You can still get a Mossberg 500 or a Taurus .38+P revolver for $300-ish. ARs and AKs are far from the only option for personal defense. As the Stones once pointed out, You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes well you might find, You get what you need.

This^^^

I am sorry, but I disagree.

First of all, the whole "community" angle your pushing is purely socialist BS. It is not my responsibility to worry about those who are unprepared. Nor, is it my problem to concern myself with those who have finally seen the light and have just started their "collection".

Now, before you get on your high horse and make some incorrect assumptions about me, I am more than happy to educate folks and give advice on firearms subjects that I know well, for free I might add. But if some slack jawed, booger eatin' moron, wants to jump into the fray without educating themselves, well, I offer zero remorse.

The fact is, in the real world, life is not fair and can be cruel, dangerous and expensive to the stupid and uninformed. I suggest asking a lot of questions, do some serious research and wear a helmet.

And This^^^

Yes it is. The fundamental basis of capitalism is the ability of people to voluntarily participate in markets. You are complaining about exactly that.

Profit is not evil.

Agreeing to sell a person something for a price they are willing to pay is not evil.

Offering goods at any price, no matter how exorbitant, to buyers voluntarily participating in a market, is not evil.

None of this is bad in any way at all.

People want AR15s. Sellers provide them. These are both good things. Both the buyers and the sellers leave happy. Why should you be able to dictate to either party how they should behave?

And This too^^^

Community? What community? I'll consider myself a part of the community when other members of said community are helping me pay my bills, walking my dogs and mowing my lawn. I will do the same in return when that happens. I don't see anybody on here whining that others are making more money than them so they should share the wealth. Oh, and full disclosure, I haven't and plan on selling nothing of mine, so this isn't even referring to me.

 

[ZX-14R]

Take a look at another forum's response to the madness.

So, you use this forum only to post ads in Classifieds, and you're now posting items well above list price? Well, guess what? - Topic

Hmmm, glad I'm a capitalist and a Glock man.

 

[ZX-14R]

Soooooooooooooooooooo guys....

I need your help, the help of this community. As of this moment, I need a house. Not just any house, I want a $300,000 (or higher) house. I couldn't and didn't buy a house when houses that are worth $300,000 now, cost a mere $150,000. I spent my money on cars, bikes, trucks, guns and tools. But now, I kinda want this house, but in reality I NEED this house. I NEED a $300,000 house to put all of these things and myself in. Nothing less will do.

I am asking all of you to gather around me as a community and help me into this house. Of course I am COMPLETELY willing to pay the $150,000 for it, that wouldn't be right if I just took it for free. I think you will all realize this is the right thing to do for me.

Thank you in advance,

Travis


PS - I also need at least 3 more Glock 21 (13 round) magazines, a fair price I am willing to pay is $20 a piece.

 

[arthrimus]

Soooooooooooooooooooo guys....

I need your help, the help of this community. As of this moment, I need a house. Not just any house, I want a $300,000 (or higher) house. I couldn't and didn't buy a house when houses that are worth $300,000 now, cost a mere $150,000. I spent my money on cars, bikes, trucks, guns and tools. But now, I kinda want this house, but in reality I NEED this house. I NEED a $300,000 house to put all of these things and myself in. Nothing less will do.

I am asking all of you to gather around me as a community and help me into this house. Of course I am COMPLETELY willing to pay the $150,000 for it, that wouldn't be right if I just took it for free. I think you will all realize this is the right thing to do for me.

Thank you in advance,

Travis

Hey man, I feel you. Since when did the home owning community get so damn greedy wanting that kind of money for houses. Now the government has all the ammunition it needs for taking away houses because by being so willing to sell them for some evil profit, we proved that don't actually need them.

 

[mfirem19]

Wow.. Very well said. But, I am sure many of you remember Y2K. people gouging for generators, bulk food items etc. it's not new and it won't go away but shame on the ignorant people who pay what some ask and others see as ridiculous. I believe the mad rush will only be to the true gun owners demise. Don't think they aren't watching ammo sales, magazine sales, weapons sales. It will be back to bite us and hard.

 

[bwframe]

This thread is a good example of what's wrong with people at a basic level, and why we're in the state we're in as a country.

At it's core, people are upset at two things:

1. They think people selling are being "greedy"

2. They think people buying are being "stupid"

The people who are upset assume they are morally and intellectually superior.

They then feel justified taking rights away from others because of their moral and intellectual superiority.

This is why we lose our freedoms.

These people get 51% of the population to agree, and by force of law, they try to rid the world of greed and stupidity by enslaving others to their sense of moral and intellectual superiority.

Where do you fall in that plethora?

 

[ilikeguns]

A whole lot of the buyers out there are not even shooters. They are prospectors hoping to buy the last of these guns and magazines that are available to the public now,even at inflated prices,in the hopes of selling them at even greater prices when a ban is instituted. They are playing the odds and hoping for the "worst". These are the people we should be mad at. I don't care if Joe Shmoe with a 3 kids and a crappy job decides to sell his AR for $2500. If he can get it good for him. It's the prospectors that are driving the prices up and are bottom feeding POS's.