New Years Beat-down: Would you try to save this guy? [video]

[steveh_131]

May be NSFW. Pretty brutal beating. Would you step in?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyZHWtcooJI&has_verified=1

 

[redbaron]

Whats the story behind this? His buddies didn't seem to eager to help him out.

 

[Que]

May be NSFW. Pretty brutal beating. Would you step in?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyZHWtcooJI&has_verified=1

Before I answer, please tell us what you would do.

 

[snowman46919]

Not really clear what is going on here but if all he did was tell the officer to shut up the reaction seems like overkill, and i didn't see any resistance either but the video more than likely isn't giving the whole story. I am sure dredd will be along to defend the officers actions no matter what.

 

[rich8483]

this IS unbelievable! 2.99 for a gallon of gas??

seriously though, i see a couple of problems. but never being an officer, take them with a grain of salt.

first, i dont care what that guy said, it was spoken. sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. so i dont see why something somebody said is justification for a beatdown. unless maybe its "i have a bomb, i will kill us all" AND he is capable of doing it. not cufffed or anything.
then. once the guy is down, cuffed, why mace him?

second problem is the people around him that just let it happen. the mentality we have today seems to be degrading into every man for himself. no unity. none of them even flinched. now i say this not knowing what led up to the video. not knowing if it was speeding, wreckless driving or dangerous weapons charge where he might have totally deserved it. but i still think, once the guy was on the ground, and i cant tell from the video, he might already have been cuffed, i think anything beyond that was overboard.

 

[Disposable Heart]

Not really clear what is going on here but if all he did was tell the officer to shut up the reaction seems like overkill, and i didn't see any resistance either but the video more than likely isn't giving the whole story. I am sure dredd will be along to defend the officers actions no matter what.

This.

We don't know what was going on before the video. We don't know the sides of the story. From the looks of it though, the officer had no reason to use force because there was no "moves" made against the officer. Sort of like if I told a cop "whatever" when he tells me to have a good day when I recieve a ticket (not saying that I have done that). I didn't see a weapon being deployed against the officer, no any bodily action against him.

Seems a bit extreme, but I would like to see both sides before making judgement.

Oh, and Dredd would probably agree fully with anything totalitarian in nature.

 

[navarre1095]

Interfere with a cop making an arrest? Seriously?

 

[Dogman]

Well, that's one way to break in a new ASP.

 

[steveh_131]

Interfere with a cop making an arrest? Seriously?

some people believe in standing up against tyranny.

apparently you aren't one of them.

 

[SKSnut]

No one hit him, he fell. Or at least thats what the report will say.

 

[snowman46919]

some people believe in standing up against tyranny.

apparently you aren't one of them.

I do, I recently stood my ground against the Sheriff a few weeks ago. Not a deputy not a second in command the sheriff himself. Accused me of buzzing his house every morning at 0730 doing at least 80 miles an hour: "With all do respect sir I am not calling you a liar however I am normally at work by then and I take a route at least 5 miles from here as this is out of my way. Well I have seen this little red car drive entirely too fast up and down this road..." I really wanted to say well see sir in an effort to make money Volkswagen as well as several other manufacturers of little red cars produced more than one to make money, but since I was only given a verbal warning I let it go.

back on point a citizen is supposed to respect the law as an officer is duty bound to uphold it. At best this is a one sided story at worst it would be assault with a deadly weapon if he wasn't wearing a uniform.

 

[dross]

We couldn't see what was going on. It's possible the guy wasn't complying, bringing on the use of the baton and spray.

Not enough info here to judge.

 

[shibumiseeker]

some people believe in standing up against tyranny.

apparently you aren't one of them.

Depends. You fight the fight you can reasonably hope to win.

Some random stranger where I don't know the story, I'll try to be as good a witness as I can. Because the moment you try to interfere with the arrest you'll have the entire weight of the system come down on you with a vengeance, whether the officer was right or wrong. There is no hope of winning there, and if you can walk away and take the fight another day, that's the optimal course of action.

If that was a close family member, you bet I'd be doing something.

Security forces in the middle of the night dragging the neighbors away because they are the wrong political/religion/race? Well I'm not going to stand by and do nothing. What I might do is not something I'm willing to say in a public forum.

Yeah, we do have a degree of tyranny of the state. But we're not in a totalitarian state much as the state may be wanting to head in that direction. We do have the rule of law and that law does apply to the police as well, and if that officer is found to have conducted himself wrong the chances are good he'll be out of a job and may face criminal and civil penalties. Or he may not: like in a casino, the house has the advantage.

 

[Dredd]

i see that i people want to know what i think. I did not vote in this pole as i did not see any acceptable options. it is not clear what happened before the video started so i will not judge the officer. I wish i could hear sound as well. i would have assisted the officer to control the situation and made sure none of the other suspects tried to take the officer's gun while he was restraining the main suspect and called for more units in case the officer hadnt already

 

[steveh_131]

We couldn't see what was going on. It's possible the guy wasn't complying, bringing on the use of the baton and spray.

Not enough info here to judge.

Oh, I don't know, Dross. The guy was laying on the ground. How hard would he have to have been pinching the officer's ankles to justify 7 whacks with a nightstick and pepper spray?

Too bad you couldn't hear because I bet he was yelling "STOP RESISTING!"

Depends. You fight the fight you can reasonably hope to win.

Some random stranger where I don't know the story, I'll try to be as good a witness as I can. Because the moment you try to interfere with the arrest you'll have the entire weight of the system come down on you with a vengeance, whether the officer was right or wrong. There is no hope of winning there, and if you can walk away and take the fight another day, that's the optimal course of action.

If that was a close family member, you bet I'd be doing something.

Security forces in the middle of the night dragging the neighbors away because they are the wrong political/religion/race? Well I'm not going to stand by and do nothing. What I might do is not something I'm willing to say in a public forum.

Yeah, we do have a degree of tyranny of the state. But we're not in a totalitarian state much as the state may be wanting to head in that direction. We do have the rule of law and that law does apply to the police as well, and if that officer is found to have conducted himself wrong the chances are good he'll be out of a job and may face criminal and civil penalties. Or he may not: like in a casino, the house has the advantage.

I like this answer.

 

[Que]

some people believe in standing up against tyranny.

apparently you aren't one of them.

You still have not said what YOU would do.

 

[steveh_131]

You still have not said what YOU would do.

don't mod me bro

 

[steveh_131]

After some thought, I would have to agree with shibumiseeker.

If it was a close friend or family member, I would probably intervene, with violence if necessary.

For a stranger, I would probably just try to be a good witness. My family needs me too much to die in a gas station parking lot at the hands of a bunch of rabid cops out for blood.

 

[Que]

don't mod me bro

I just asked a question, just like I always have, even before "mod" was put in my sig block. If you don't want to answer, just say so.

 

[steveh_131]

I just asked a question, just like I always have, even before "mod" was put in my sig block. If you don't want to answer, just say so.

but you didn't even mirandize me. i know my rights.