Your vote must be cast wisely, will it be right?

[hornadylnl]

Jedi, I have a screen name, it is IndyBeerman, if you failed to see that, then you failed to see the above that I quoted from my post.

It won't be 10 years if Obama is elected, it will be less than 1,460 days.

I'm 50, I plan on being around long enough to try and continue keeping people like BHO from getting into office, during that time I will continue to talk to our youth to be educated and not line up like lemmings.


My main concern is the 2nd, but as I said, Rome was not built in a day, and neither will the face of politics today be rebuilt that way.

Elect a little bit more conservative person each time (while you might not think so, Romney is way more conservative than O and has no socialist objective for us ), and change the mindset and thinking of the people, that way a Johnson or Paul style candidate won't seem "out on the edge" and unrealistic in 8 years.

If Obama was running for President in the 80's, he would have dropped out by the 3rd primary state, heck he might have not even got a foot in the door.

Reagan
Bush Sr.
Dole
Bush Jr.
McCain
Romney

Your plan is working great. The next logical nominee is George Washington himself.

 

[jbombelli]

So we just throw in the towel and let the pieces fall where the may. I dislike/miss-trust all politicians. All of them.

Just give up, do I understand you and several others?????

No. What you interpret as giving up, as throwing in the towel, is simply us refusing to help the collapse happen by voting for more of the same.

I don't care if I'm the only person in the country voting for someone who might ACTUALLY be fiscally responsible. I'll vote with a clear conscience, and everybody else's vote is on them.

 

[IndyBeerman]

Reagan
George HW Bush
George W Bush

Your plan is working great. The next logical nominee is George Washington himself if we could build a time machine and bring him back

FTFY, because I'll take those three over

Carter
Clinton
Obama

Any day of the week, and an 8th day if they decide to add one.

If Reagan would not have come along when he did, we could have been Greece or a whole lot worse. Of I forgot, I think you was not around during Carter, and was still in elementary school the when he got out of office.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Jedi, I have a screen name, it is IndyBeerman, if you failed to see that, then you failed to see the above that I quoted from my post.

It won't be 10 years if Obama is elected, it will be less than 1,460 days.

I'm 50, I plan on being around long enough to try and continue keeping people like BHO from getting into office, during that time I will continue to talk to our youth to be educated and not line up like lemmings.


My main concern is the 2nd, but as I said, Rome was not built in a day, and neither will the face of politics today be rebuilt that way.

Elect a little bit more conservative person each time (while you might not think so, Romney is way more conservative than O and has no socialist objective for us ), and change the mindset and thinking of the people, that way a Johnson or Paul style candidate won't seem "out on the edge" and unrealistic in 8 years.

If Obama was running for President in the 80's, he would have dropped out by the 3rd primary state, heck he might have not even got a foot in the door.

Problem is that we, assuming most of us are conservative and possibly Republicans keep getting more and more liberal Presidential Republican candidates for the last 30-40 or more years. What would make any of us think that the next Republican nominee is going to be any more conservative than the one we have now.

 

[hornadylnl]

FTFY, because I'll take those three over

Carter
Clinton
Obama

Any day of the week, and an 8th day if they decide to add one.

If Reagan would not have come along when he did, we could have been Greece or a whole lot worse. Of I forgot, I think you was not around during Carter, and was still in elementary school the when he got out of office.

Why did you remove the losing repub nominees?

Reagan
Bush Sr.
Dole
Bush Jr.
McCain
Romney

Please tell me how your "elect a little bit more conservative person each time" theory is working out for you.

 

[foszoe]

Reagan
Bush Sr.
Dole
Bush Jr.
McCain
Romney

Your plan is working great. The next logical nominee is George Washington himself.

His plan said nothing about doing it only at a presidential level. That's why the libertarians on this board never gain traction. They're just as twisty with words as the media.

 

[hornadylnl]

Problem is that we, assuming most of us are conservative and possibly Republicans keep getting more and more liberal Presidential Republican candidates for the last 30-40 or more years. What would make any of us think that the next Republican nominee is going to be any more conservative than the one we have now.

Well, he just tried rewriting history by taking away Dole, McCain, and Romney from the ever more conservative slate of repub nominees.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Hell, for as much as it is worth I may just go vote for Barry, let us get this storm rolling because like others have said the Democrats have us on a highway to hell doing 135 MPH, the Republicans are doing a steady 70 or better

 

[churchmouse]

No. What you interpret as giving up, as throwing in the towel, is simply us refusing to help the collapse happen by voting for more of the same.

I don't care if I'm the only person in the country voting for someone who might ACTUALLY be fiscally responsible. I'll vote with a clear conscience, and everybody else's vote is on them.

I am referring to the impending collapse that several are speaking of. I wish you well with your vote and your conscience.

I just see this as standing on the sidelines and watching everything implode. A 3rd party vote at this time serves no purpose other than self gratification. That again is your right and I do see a point in it but I see no meaningful end by doing it. Catch 22. You and others can say what you will about the same one after the last one but that is the freaking system our fathers left us and we have let it go into dis-array. Special interest groups have turned the system upside down. Bags of money available for the taking. To throw up ones hands and say this is my vote, I will do as I please is not what I see as best for the country or am I one of few who still actually care. Maybe I am whack.

I have never....ever....ever voted for someone. It has always been the lesser of the 2 evils. always has been, always will be. Even if a 3rd party gets a toe hold in the game it will be the same as always. People will never change. The pursuit of power and wealth is in itself a flaw in our nature. Once in power, power will corrupt. Always has, always will. All we have right now is the ability to slow it down or as several have said.....let it crash. I have some darling grand-kids. I will slow it down for them. After my time, it is up to them.
Do as you will.

 

[foszoe]

Well, he just tried rewriting history by taking away Dole, McCain, and Romney from the ever more conservative slate of repub nominees.

Found another scarecrow to beat up on again I see

 

[Bunnykid68]

His plan said nothing about doing it only at a presidential level. That's why the libertarians on this board never gain traction. They're just as twisty with words as the media.

Sure, and the 3rd party never gets snubbed at the local level as a crazy loon. You do not think there are tons of people trying to get better candidates at the local level as well as the Presidential level

 

[jbombelli]

I am referring to the impending collapse that several are speaking of. I wish you well with your vote and your conscience.

I just see this as standing on the sidelines and watching everything implode. A 3rd party vote at this time serves no purpose other than self gratification. That again is your right and I do see a point in it but I see no meaningful end by doing it. Catch 22. You and others can say what you will about the same one after the last one but that is the freaking system our fathers left us and we have let it go into dis-array. Special interest groups have turned the system upside down. Bags of money available for the taking. To throw up ones hands and say this is my vote, I will do as I please is not what I see as best for the country or am I one of few who still actually care. Maybe I am whack.

I have never....ever....ever voted for someone. It has always been the lesser of the 2 evils. always has been, always will be. Even if a 3rd party gets a toe hold in the game it will be the same as always. People will never change. The pursuit of power and wealth is in itself a flaw in our nature. Once in power, power will corrupt. Always has, always will. All we have right now is the ability to slow it down or as several have said.....let it crash. I have some darling grand-kids. I will slow it down for them. After my time, it is up to them.
Do as you will.

You see us as standing on the sidelines. We see two groups: one sprinting for the endzone of collapse, one jogging at a brisk pace toward the endzone of collapse, speeding up over time, and they're arguing with each other over how fast to run.

 

[foszoe]

Sure, and the 3rd party never gets snubbed at the local level as a crazy loon. You do not think there are tons of people trying to get better candidates at the local level as well as the Presidential level

Do you live in Indiana?

Did you see the governor debate?

If you think there is a better or equal chance to elect a libertarian president than to do it in local races then I really have nothing more to say to you regarding the issue.

 

[churchmouse]

You see us as standing on the sidelines. We see two groups: one sprinting for the endzone of collapse, one jogging at a brisk pace toward the endzone of collapse, speeding up over time, and they're arguing with each other over how fast to run.

Granted. I do see the point in it just not an end result. I do not argue or condemn the decisions made just the outcome from those decisions. I will hold back the joggers if possible. It is unfortunately all I see as an option at this time. The clock is running.

Should anyone offer up a reasonable solution to this catch 22 mess I will listen intently.

 

[buckstopshere]

I'm just curious why everyone is so afraid of losing the second. The trend across the country has been a winning one. Check out Kirk Freeman's post for specifics. All of this under the dbag in chief BHO.

Until the conversation changes from the .gov is going to take away our 2nd amendment rights to the .gov can not take away that which they did not grant and I don't give a damn what the SCOTUS says, it will always be just another distraction tool to keep the R vs D, Right vs Left infighting going so they can steal all our money.

I am not afraid, at all. I will vote for who represents me best, that is Johnson. Not completely but best of my ballot choices in Indiana. Funny thing, he probably best represents the majority of Romney voters better than Romney does. Irony isn't without a sense of humor.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Do you live in Indiana?

Did you see the governor debate?

If you think there is a better or equal chance to elect a libertarian president than to do it in local races then I really have nothing more to say to you regarding the issue.

I live in Indiana

I did not see the debate

You have lost me on your point

 

[foszoe]

I live in Indiana

I did not see the debate

You have lost me on your point

The libertarian candidate was on the stage. My point and belief is that if libertarians put their energy into local races the presidental race might become achievable in 8-12 years.

What I read from libertarians on this board would never convince me to look at their local candidates.

 

[Bunnykid68]

The libertarian candidate was on the stage. My point and belief is that if libertarians put their energy into local races the presidental race might become achievable in 8-12 years.

What I read from libertarians on this board would never convince me to look at their local candidates.

So they do not put any effort in the local races at all?

 

[hornadylnl]

The libertarian candidate was on the stage. My point and belief is that if libertarians put their energy into local races the presidental race might become achievable in 8-12 years.

What I read from libertarians on this board would never convince me to look at their local candidates.

What I read from republicans on this board would never convince me to look at any of their candidates.

 

[foszoe]

So they do not put any effort in the local races at all?

That's not what I said nor what I meant to answer your question