Will you take the Covid Vaccine?

[Ingomike]

Contact tracing info was leaked.

If they can't keep the small stuff safe, why would you trust them with more data?

He trusts them implicitly, haven't you read his posts?

 

[Rookie]

Remember when asbestos was safe?

How about talcum powder?

Sometimes long term is.. long term

How about Oxycontin? Or Phen Fen?

 

[MRockwell]

What does long term mean?
In my opinion long term has not happened yet for either the virus or the vaccine, which makes both of these unknowns.

I would say long-term is 3+ months.

I'm close to someone who used to be a Clinical Trial Project Manager for Big Pharma. They relayed an experience with a drug trial they were running. The trial was in Phase3 (at least 2 years in), in which the study had gone to human participants and was ongoing in animal testing for long term safety. In the middle of the night, they were called and told the trial was shut down because they started seeing that animal test subjects had seized and were dying.

The trials were immediately shut down, and no further work was done on the drug.

To me, long term would be more than two years.
just my thoughts

 

[nonobaddog]

For me I would say there are two types of long-term effects.

One is where the effect happens after a significant term such as one year or more.

Two is where the effect can start anytime, even immediately, but has a long duration such as one year or more, even the rest of your life.

 

[Jaybird1980]

I'm close to someone who used to be a Clinical Trial Project Manager for Big Pharma. They relayed an experience with a drug trial they were running. The trial was in Phase3 (at least 2 years in), in which the study had gone to human participants and was ongoing in animal testing for long term safety. In the middle of the night, they were called and told the trial was shut down because they started seeing that animal test subjects had seized and were dying.

The trials were immediately shut down, and no further work was done on the drug.

To me, long term would be more than two years.
just my thoughts

2 years is long-term, it is also after 3 months like i stated.
Long-term has to start at some point, I think it starts around 3 months.The end date I guess would be average lifespan.

Earlier than 3 months would be short-term.

 

[Jaybird1980]

For me I would say there are two types of long-term effects.

One is where the effect happens after a significant term such as one year or more.

Two is where the effect can start anytime, even immediately, but has a long duration such as one year or more, even the rest of your life.

You are describing Acute vs Chronic

 

[nonobaddog]

You are describing Acute vs Chronic

Not exactly.
I am saying either delayed or chronic can be long term.
An effect can be acute or chronic - even if it starts short term after vaccination or delayed for years after vaccination.
I am calling long-term effects those that either start to show up after a long time(delayed) OR start anytime and last a long time(chronic).

Delayed effects can be either acute or chronic.

 

[COOPADUP]

Just got shot number 2. Waiting 15 minutes to make sure all is okay.

 

[Jaybird1980]

Not exactly.
I am saying either delayed or chronic can be long term.
An effect can be acute or chronic - even if it starts short term after vaccination or delayed for years after vaccination.
I am calling long-term effects those that either start to show up after a long time(delayed) OR start anytime and last a long time(chronic).

Delayed effects can be either acute or chronic.

If illness happens soon it is short term, if it happens later it happens in the long term.

If the illness arises and gets resolved within a timeframe ( which varies from illness to illness) it is an Acute illness.

If the issues arise and are long lasting issues it is a chronic illness.

When the illness comes on is what determines if it happens in the short term( I said from start to 3 months)

If the illness comes on after the 3 months I would say it is in the long term.

 

[nonobaddog]

If illness happens soon it is short term, if it happens later it happens in the long term.

If the illness arises and gets resolved within a timeframe ( which varies from illness to illness) it is an Acute illness.

If the issues arise and are long lasting issues it is a chronic illness.

When the illness comes on is what determines if it happens in the short term( I said from start to 3 months)

If the illness comes on after the 3 months I would say it is in the long term.

You are saying the same thing I am except for semantics as well as the difference in opinion on what time frame constitutes long term.

My opinion is something like 0 to 1 month is short term, 1 month to one year is medium term and 1 year or more is long term.

 

[Jaybird1980]

You are saying the same thing I am except for semantics as well as the difference in opinion on what time frame constitutes long term.

My opinion is something like 0 to 1 month is short term, 1 month to one year is medium term and 1 year or more is long term.

For me I would say there are two types of long-term effects.

One is where the effect happens after a significant term such as one year or more.

Two is where the effect can start anytime, even immediately, but has a long duration such as one year or more, even the rest of your life.

Maybe we are saying the same thing. I guess the highlighted part is what confuses me. To me there is only 1 long term, that is if it happens after the short term.

I say up to 3 months is short term because it takes approximately 4-6 weeks to recover from Covid. So if something happens after 12 months ( you should be recovered) then I would say it is long term.

0-1 month you probably haven't even recovered from Covid.

 

[nonobaddog]

Maybe we are saying the same thing. I guess the highlighted part is what confuses me. To me there is only 1 long term, that is if it happens after the short term.

I say up to 3 months is short term because it takes approximately 4-6 weeks to recover from Covid. So if something happens after 12 months ( you should be recovered) then I would say it is long term.

0-1 month you probably have even recovered from Covid.

I'll try one more time, this really isn't worth any more than that.

Type 1
Let's say you get the vaccine shot and two years later you get some disease that is confirmed to be caused by the vaccine. I am calling that a long-term effect of the vaccine.

Type 2
Now lets say you get the vaccine shot and the very next day you get some disease that is confirmed to be caused by the vaccine - the disease lasts for 20 years - I am calling that a long-term effect of the vaccine.

Yes, you can substitute other words for long-term such as persistent, chronic, stubborn, etc. And they may be "better" or "more appropriate" but just semantics to me. I think chronic works better for Type 2 but I also think long-term works for either type(just my opinion).

 

[Jaybird1980]

I'll try one more time, this really isn't worth any more than that.

Type 1
Let's say you get the vaccine shot and two years later you get some disease that is confirmed to be caused by the vaccine. I am calling that a long-term effect of the vaccine.

Type 2
Now lets say you get the vaccine shot and the very next day you get some disease that is confirmed to be caused by the vaccine - the disease lasts for 20 years - I am calling that a long-term effect of the vaccine.

Yes, you can substitute other words for long-term such as persistent, chronic, stubborn, etc. And they may be "better" or "more appropriate" but just semantics to me. I think chronic works better for Type 2 but I also think long-term works for either type(just my opinion).

The only place I disagree Is the Type 2. To me that is a short term chronic illness.

I guess we were just talking in circles.

 

[nonobaddog]

Yup, circles are fun.


(although I have not heard the term "short term chronic illness" before)

 

[JCSR]

 

[nonobaddog]

That is not exactly shocking when you consider that according to the CDC about 74% of all Americans are overweight.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...efa834-408d-11eb-9453-fc36ba051781_story.html

 

[Jaybird1980]

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When do I get my Cheesecake?

 

[JCSR]

SARS-CoV-2 antibody-positivity protects against reinfection for at least seven months with 95% efficacy​

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(21)00141-3/fulltext

 

[Hawkeye]

SARS-CoV-2 antibody-positivity protects against reinfection for at least seven months with 95% efficacy​

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(21)00141-3/fulltext

THat's fine if you have had COVID. The purpose of the vaccine is to prevent you from getting it in the first place. Not to prevent reinfection. Although, the vaccine likely does prevent re-infection as well.

 

[DadSmith]

I'm still waiting to see what the long term side effects are. Once revealed I'll be able to make a decision.