When is 'trigger tapping' called for?

[mettle]

I've never heard this really addressed. I seen a video showing the P250 being 'ran through the numbers', I think on Sig's website and the guy was 'tapping'.

Does this work best with DAO or DA/SA tiggered guns? or, does this make a sense only on a polymer or stiker fired gun?

Rhino mentioned it in the pistol class (ACT); but never went into any detail. (other than to discourage it for what we were doing at the time)

With practice, does the trigger tap make a more effective and safer 'live/hot' engagement, as you are actually releasing and removing your finger off the trigger after every shot fired?

 

[JosephR]

WTF? Are we saying to allow the trigger to reset and then remove your finger from the trigger? What happened to moving your finger forward just enough to allow it to reset?

 

[ATM]

On the defensive rifle class, it was suggested for rapid close quarters shots. I don't recall it coming up during the defensive pistol class.

ETA: I think the reason given was to achieve a rapid reset and follow up shot(s) while minimizing the possibility of not getting the trigger reset or slowing your cadence of shots when shooting close under pressure.

 

[JosephR]

Next wave of gimmicks waiting for someone to make it work.

 

[mettle]

Next wave of gimmicks waiting for someone to make it work.

Please allow Rhino or ObiJohn to answer. No more cocky responses unless you actually know what you are talking about. Really. Every thread you are in, results in arguments...

Your first post to my question was 'WTF'? For someone who knows it all, you sure do work hard to make sure people think you don't.

Now, go argue somewhere else on a different thread while I await real responses from real experienced and knowledgable souls, and stop forcing yourself off as 'knowing'.

I am about to chalk up another one to the 'ignore' list.

 

[jeremy]

OK...
I am curious what exactly this is/entails.

 

[JosephR]

Despite my "offensive" WTF there was merit to my post. You can obviously tell I'm curious as well. If you only wanted the opinion of Rhino and one other, perhaps a PM would have been better?

 

[seawolfxix]

 

[mettle]

Looks like a paint gun! My dad has one.

 

[notasccrmom]

On the defensive rifle class, it was suggested for rapid close quarters shots. I don't recall it coming up during the defensive pistol class.

ETA: I think the reason given was to achieve a rapid reset and follow up shot(s) while minimizing the possibility of not getting the trigger reset or slowing your cadence of shots when shooting close under pressure.

This is pretty much correct. When shooting really fast from reset, there is always the chance of getting what is called "trigger freeze" which is pulling the trigger a second time without letting it reset. Slapping the trigger is way around trigger freeze. It works on close up shots well because you don't have to worry about disturbing the sights as much as you would on a farther target. It tends to be seen as a bad thing, but with enough practice slapping the trigger can be done accurately on farther shots.

 

[jeremy]

This is pretty much correct. When shooting really fast from reset, there is always the chance of getting what is called "trigger freeze" which is pulling the trigger a second time without letting it reset. Slapping the trigger is way around trigger freeze. It works on close up shots well because you don't have to worry about disturbing the sights as much as you would on a farther target. It tends to be seen as a bad thing, but with enough practice slapping the trigger can be done accurately on farther shots.

Ahhh...
This is something I will not be practicing...

 

[notasccrmom]

Ahhh...
This is something I will not be practicing...

Here's a good visual. You can see the two pieces of brass in the air right next to each other and the gun is flat. Also, you can see the distance to the target. Those were aimed shots and they hit.

 

[jeremy]

I am not nocking it as a technique...
It is just a technique I will not be practicing.
Generally when I do have to shoot it is because I am in very bad neighborhoods... I can not afford a malfunction.

Plus this is why my carbine has a third spot...

 

[mettle]

Here's a good visual. You can see the two pieces of brass in the air right next to each other and the gun is flat. Also, you can see the distance to the target. Those were aimed shots and they hit.

Does the 'slap' work with DAO's or SAO's like CZs or Sigs? I have G19s and feel confident for where I am at in my training/drills but want to open my eyes a little bit more. Which is why the ?? came up.

Can you explain a little more?

 

[jeremy]

notasccrmom,

Is that not what we used to refer as double tapping?

 

[notasccrmom]

Does the 'slap' work with DAO's or SAO's like CZs or Sigs? I have G19s and feel confident for where I am at in my training/drills but want to open my eyes a little bit more. Which is why the ?? came up.

Can you explain a little more?

It will work on anything with a trigger.

Double tapping it is not. That infers only one sight picture for two shots. This is an aimed pair. I was watching the sights the whole time. When the front sight settles back into the rear and they're on target, you fire the second shot.

 

[jeremy]

More like what I am used to being called a "controlled pair" then.

 

[mettle]

Is this useful to ensure a more deliberate pull under stress situations as well? Something to require the idea of 'thinking' of pulling the trigger?

 

[notasccrmom]

Is this useful to ensure a more deliberate pull under stress situations as well? Something to require the idea of 'thinking' of pulling the trigger?

Not quite sure what you mean here. Every trigger pull is deliberate, no matter what trigger control method is used.

 

[Coach]

Slapping the trigger and riding the reset are techniques for pulling the trigger. Controlled pairs and double taps and the hammer and other such shooting exercises can be done with either technique of pulling the trigger.

Slapping, as has already been explained, prevents trigger freeze from occuring. This is exactly the way to pull the trigger when the work requires speed. Trigger freeze in a critical incident is not a good thing.

Squeezing on the first shot and riding the reset is in order when precision is demanded.

Slapping can be done effectively at pretty significant distances 15-17 yards for example. Slapping sounds like a violent action for trigger work but it is somewhat misleading.

I slap the tigger 90-95% of the time and have so far never failed to leave a bad neighborhood in one piece.