What's it really like at a Donald Trump rally?

[IndyDave1776]

Meh. You could make that argument for any number of wealthy individuals who are extremely liberal. He has leveraged the government to make money with both parties in power and will continue to do so regardless of the state of the rest of the nation. I'm not hanging my hat on this one.



Who, specifically, are these people whose interests benefit from the weakening of the United States and control the establishment?

1. I am failing to have any wealthy liberal nationalists come to mind. Based on their performance and the politicians they support, I am satisfied that the market in question is saturated with globalists.

2. Based on their actions, there are people named Bush and Clinton that come to mind. Also significant is that they were/are establishment candidates, indicating that they represent the establishment, by extension indicating that this is the popular choice for people who live at that level. Conversely, anyone not self-funded who takes a position of focusing on the well-being of the United States reliably gets shot down early. I, for one, find it refreshing not to have the establishment shoved down our throats for a change.

 

[steveh_131]

Interesting points, IndyDave. I'll have to give that some thought.

 

[jamil]

As to the first point - his sons are enthusiasts, and I believe he's said that their experience and input has made him reconsider his positions.

As to the second, has Trump really gotten more conservative, or has the GOP as a whole moved more to the center-left?

Has the GOP moved left?

Election year nominees:
1968 - Richard Nixon
1972 - Richard Nixon
1976 - Gerald Ford
1980 - Ronald Reagan
1984 - Ronald Reagan
1988 - George H.W. Bush
1992 - George H.W. Bush
1996 - Bob Dole FOR ****S SAKE!
2000 - George W. Bush
2004 - George W. Bush
2008 - John McCain
2012 - Mit Romney

The establishment Republican party is moderate-right with a few moderate left candidates thrown in every now and again. Has been for years. I don't think the GOP has moved as far left as The Donald was. He has stated that he's changed his mind on a few things. The question for everyone is, how sincere is he? He told us his strategy for how to close the deal in his books. I don't see that he's deviating all that much from his "winning" strategy. So basically, he tells you what he knows you want to hear and keeps insisting that's the truth, until he wins or loses.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Even if Trump makes a terrible president, if he can manage to break the establishment monopoly on national politics, he will have set us up for a candidate that we could really get behind next time, rather than see such a person shot down 10 minutes after he announces.

 

[steveh_131]

Or have us set up for a socialist candidate, once the psuedo-capitalist buffoon is all finished?

 

[jamil]

Even if Trump makes a terrible president, if he can manage to break the establishment monopoly on national politics, he will have set us up for a candidate that we could really get behind next time, rather than see such a person shot down 10 minutes after he announces.

Oh, I'm not worried about Trump being president. I'm worried about Hillary kicking his ass. The majority of Americans think Trump is a joke.

 

[Principal Skinr]

I don't trust Trump, but if it comes down to a guy who says he's conservative vs. someone who makes no attempt to hide being a Socialist, then I'll take my chances with Trump. It is interesting that we're wondering if Trump is telling the truth, but we assume that Hillary, a well documented fabricator, from the first family of lies, is actually telling the truth when she tries to tack further to the left. Wow, cats sleeping with dogs....mass hysteria!

 

[JTScribe]

1. I am failing to have any wealthy liberal nationalists come to mind. Based on their performance and the politicians they support, I am satisfied that the market in question is saturated with globalists.

2. Based on their actions, there are people named Bush and Clinton that come to mind. Also significant is that they were/are establishment candidates, indicating that they represent the establishment, by extension indicating that this is the popular choice for people who live at that level. Conversely, anyone not self-funded who takes a position of focusing on the well-being of the United States reliably gets shot down early. I, for one, find it refreshing not to have the establishment shoved down our throats for a change.

Here's the thing. My preferred guy is Cruz. But I am not so dumb as to believe he wouldn't be where he was if not for Trump. Why?

Consider 2012. In a sense, it was much like this go-round. It was "ugh, anyone but Romney." Gingrich was the guy for a while, then Cain. But Romney went after them hard and heavy (much harder and heavier than he ever went after Obama, oddly enough) and when the dust cleared Romney was the nominee.

This go round, that hasn't happened because of Trump. Cruz is the Gingrich/Cain of this election season, but the establishment types have been forced to put their attention onto Trump, and the bad thing for them is, that plays right into his campaign!

This was supposed to be a Bush coronation, with tons of candidates splitting the vote and leaving Jeb as the last man standing. Why else would guys like Kasich, Graham, Pataki, and Gilmore be running? They're jockeying for positions in a Jeb administration and/or acting as delegate splitters in their respective states - OH, SC, NY, VA.

Trump has been Cruz's fullback, to an extent. I've got my fingers crossed for a Trump/Cruz ticket if Ted can't overcome DT . . . but either way, it's better than Jeb(!).

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I hope that Rand Paul has too much respect for states' rights to do such a thing.

Umm . . . wut?

So state's shouldn't be required to recognize other states' licensure?

 

[steveh_131]

It is interesting that we're wondering if Trump is telling the truth, but we assume that Hillary, a well documented fabricator, from the first family of lies, is actually telling the truth when she tries to tack further to the left. Wow, cats sleeping with dogs....mass hysteria!

Does questioning one mean that you're trusting the other? I don't think that's a logical conclusion.

So state's shouldn't be required to recognize other states' licensure?

Do we believe in decentralized government or not? It swings both ways sometimes.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Here's the thing. My preferred guy is Cruz. But I am not so dumb as to believe he wouldn't be where he was if not for Trump. Why?

Consider 2012. In a sense, it was much like this go-round. It was "ugh, anyone but Romney." Gingrich was the guy for a while, then Cain. But Romney went after them hard and heavy (much harder and heavier than he ever went after Obama, oddly enough) and when the dust cleared Romney was the nominee.

This go round, that hasn't happened because of Trump. Cruz is the Gingrich/Cain of this election season, but the establishment types have been forced to put their attention onto Trump, and the bad thing for them is, that plays right into his campaign!

This was supposed to be a Bush coronation, with tons of candidates splitting the vote and leaving Jeb as the last man standing. Why else would guys like Kasich, Graham, Pataki, and Gilmore be running? They're jockeying for positions in a Jeb administration and/or acting as delegate splitters in their respective states - OH, SC, NY, VA.

Trump has been Cruz's fullback, to an extent. I've got my fingers crossed for a Trump/Cruz ticket if Ted can't overcome DT . . . but either way, it's better than Jeb(!).



Umm . . . wut?

So state's shouldn't be required to recognize other states' licensure?

I can easily agree regarding Trump's role in the process. Cruz is doing well, but that may well not be the case without Trump blocking. Without Trump, Cruz would have had his few minutes in the spotlight while the establishment rammed Jeb down our throats.

I could go along with a Trump/Cruz ticket, or alternately with Cruz appointed to the SC.

As for the licenses, from what I see in Article IV, Sections 1 and 2 of the Constitution, that doesn't appear to be out of order.

 

[INPatriot]

Even if Trump makes a terrible president, if he can manage to break the establishment monopoly on national politics, he will have set us up for a candidate that we could really get behind next time, rather than see such a person shot down 10 minutes after he announces.

The greatest attribute Trump brings to the national stage.

 

[JTScribe]

BTW . . .

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/14/u...ck-gop-establishments-wall-of-opposition.html

 

[tbhausen]

If Obama could "evolve" on gay marriage, why can't some of you give Trump the same opportunity on the Second Amendment?

For all you questioning Trump's sincerity, I'll ask again what's become a popular question around here lately... If it's Trump vs. Hillary, who will you be voting for, and why?

 

[Kutnupe14]

If Obama could "evolve" on gay marriage, why can't some of you give Trump the same opportunity on the Second Amendment?

For all you questioning Trump's sincerity, I'll ask again what's become a popular question around here lately... If it's Trump vs. Hillary, who will you be voting for, and why?

Neither, not a fan of fascists nor socialists

 

[BugI02]

I can easily agree regarding Trump's role in the process. Cruz is doing well, but that may well not be the case without Trump blocking. Without Trump, Cruz would have had his few minutes in the spotlight while the establishment rammed Jeb down our throats.

I could go along with a Trump/Cruz ticket, or alternately with Cruz appointed to the SC.

As for the licenses, from what I see in Article IV, Sections 1 and 2 of the Constitution, that doesn't appear to be out of order.

As long as it's 50 state recognition of licenses issued according to each individual states standards, no federally mandated standards

 

[BugI02]

Neither, not a fan of fascists nor socialists

Kut (and steveh for that matter) there has only ever been one perfect man. Might need to set the bar lower for presidential candidate. Just sayin'

 

[IndyDave1776]

As long as it's 50 state recognition of licenses issued according to each individual states standards, no federally mandated standards

 

[steveh_131]

Kut (and steveh for that matter) there has only ever been one perfect man. Might need to set the bar lower for presidential candidate. Just sayin'

Trump doesn't even come close, though.

 

[BugI02]

You are quite correct. And I'm very disappointed to see him violating the '11th commandment' with respect to Cruz, who I think most of us acknowledge is the last best hope this cycle. I'm happy to see Cruz's star rising and I hope it continues, but I'm still prepared to back Trump if necessary if that seems the best chance of staving off Hitlery. Would love to see Bernie be the D's candidate.

 

[Indy-Mike]

From a Trump rally in Pensacola, FL. Didn't know there was a Trump anthem.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vPRfP_TEQ-g#action=share