Well round 2 for carry on campus, State Government level now!

[yotebutcher90]

Proposed Bill Would Allow Guns On College Campuses - Indiana News Story - WRTV Indianapolis

Just figured some others ought to know, haven't seen anything on this yet here, so sorry if I am reposting. This goes great with my paper that I just finished.

 

[Britton]

Jim is going to work on this real hard!

 

[jgreiner]

Proposed Bill Would Allow Guns On College Campuses - Indiana News Story - WRTV Indianapolis

Just figured some others ought to know, haven't seen anything on this yet here, so sorry if I am reposting. This goes great with my paper that I just finished.

Still won't protect employees (and probably students) from violating ADMINISTRATIVE rules. Purdue can fire us or expel students for violating them, and they have a no gun rule.

 

[Jtgarner]

Still won't protect employees (and probably students) from violating ADMINISTRATIVE rules. Purdue can fire us or expel students for violating them, and they can a no gun rule.

Yes it would. Students are already LEGALLY allowed to carry on campus, we just can't because of the rules. This is similar to the preemption law from last year, just for College Campuses.

I posted this in the thread about meeting with Sen. Banks too.
Great guy and I am glad to see his happening.

 

[jgreiner]

Yes it would. Students are already LEGALLY allowed to carry on campus, we just can't because of the rules. This is similar to the preemption law from last year, just for College Campuses.

I posted this in the thread about meeting with Sen. Banks too.
Great guy and I am glad to see his happening.

We shall see. Purdue has it's own set of administrative rules they follow. If the state is going to PROTECT students from being disciplined, it would be nice to include EMPLOYEES as well.

 

[eldirector]

We shall see. Purdue has it's own set of administrative rules they follow. If the state is going to PROTECT students from being disciplined, it would be nice to include EMPLOYEES as well.

Did you read the proposed legislation? That is EXACTLY what this does.

Direct link to the bill here (also linked in the OP's article):
http://www.theindychannel.com/download/2011/1207/29945849.pdf

It is essentially a "preemption" bill, just like last year, but requires STATE agencies to abide by STATE law - no rules of their own regarding carry of firearms. It sets up the IN State Legislature as the sole group for setting firearm carry laws/rules/codes/ordinances.

The media is calling this "college carry" legislation. More scare tactics.

A big "thank you" to Senator Banks and his "people" for all their hard work, and another to the various groups supporting him.

 

[Mr. Habib]

We shall see. Purdue has it's own set of administrative rules they follow. If the state is going to PROTECT students from being disciplined, it would be nice to include EMPLOYEES as well.

This bill is very much like last years preemption bill. It will apply to everyone on campus. When this passes Purdue's rules will be null and void. If they try to enforce them they will be in violation of state law. Here's a link to the proposed bill.

 

[jgreiner]

This bill is very much like last years preemption bill. It will apply to everyone on campus. When this passes Purdue's rules will be null and void. If they try to enforce them they will be in violation of state law. Here's a link to the proposed bill.

you would CRINGE if you knew how Purdue handles many administrative issues...and it's about to get worse.

 

[PriestEG]

i sure do support this very strongly. as a college student at Marian university, i have to leave my EDC at home 5 days a weeek and i hate it. i feel 'naked' without the ability to protect myself if the need ever arised. i spoke my with campus police office early on when i started attending to get permission to carry my holster empty on campus and was told i could be arrested and charged with multiple crimes if i did so... i welcome the start of this new legislation with open arms and hope progress is made!!!

 

[Mr. Habib]

you would CRINGE if you knew how Purdue handles many administrative issues...and it's about to get worse.

I work at IU. I cringe daily.

 

[eldirector]

Isn't Marian private? This will not impact their rules at all. They are not a State institution or agency. It is already perfectly legal to carry on ANY college campus.

I also can't imagine what laws you would be breaking with an empty holster. You aren't even breaking any with a "full" holster.

 

[CarmelHP]

Jim is an old friend of mine from his days as an undergrad at IU. I'm very proud of him today that he is tackling this. All the anti-gunners, including the closet anti-gunners in his own party, will not miss any trick to try to stop this. IU is very powerful and will pull all the strings they have. I would like to see the petty dictators in IU's administration get their comeuppance for once.

 

[brutalone]

My fingers are crossed... My daughter is a freshman at IU and with 5 women turning up missing in the area over the past couple of years.... I worry about her.....

 

[Titanium_Frost]

i sure do support this very strongly. as a college student at Marian university, i have to leave my EDC at home 5 days a weeek and i hate it. i feel 'naked' without the ability to protect myself if the need ever arised. i spoke my with campus police office early on when i started attending to get permission to carry my holster empty on campus and was told i could be arrested and charged with multiple crimes if i did so... i welcome the start of this new legislation with open arms and hope progress is made!!!

They are idiots if they think they can keep you from carrying a HOLSTER! Its a piece of plastic or leather and it isn't a crime to carry a freaking AK into a classroom (although I wouldn't recommend it).

Also WHY would you carry an empty holster? As a protest? Why are people asking permission to protest these days?

 

[PriestEG]

Isn't Marian private? This will not impact their rules at all. They are not a State institution or agency. It is already perfectly legal to carry on ANY college campus.

I also can't imagine what laws you would be breaking with an empty holster. You aren't even breaking any with a "full" holster.

no marian is no longer a private institution. when they changed from marian college to marian university, they took on federal funding and lost private status. from what i was told, i could incite a riot or create an unsafe learning enviroment with my empty holster.. but i can listen to brainwashed kids bad mouth the military and the war that i fought in!! so back asswards some times

and the reason to ask for my protest is that i am attending school for free due to my Gi Bill and should i do something to get kicked out or arrested, i could lose my free education i worked so hard to receive!! then be responsible for paying it back.. its simple economics for me

 

[jgreiner]

My fingers are crossed... My daughter is a freshman at IU and with 5 women turning up missing in the area over the past couple of years.... I worry about her.....

I hear ya...strange that none have turned up.

 

[jgreiner]

I work at IU. I cringe daily.

Get ready for the Penn State fallout. Seriously.

 

[abrumlev]

I work at IU. I cringe daily.

I'm sorry, I'm outta here in exactly a week...for hopefully good! unless they decide they want me for grad school.

 

[rockhopper46038]

i sure do support this very strongly. as a college student at Marian university, i have to leave my EDC at home 5 days a weeek and i hate it. i feel 'naked' without the ability to protect myself if the need ever arised. i spoke my with campus police office early on when i started attending to get permission to carry my holster empty on campus and was told i could be arrested and charged with multiple crimes if i did so... i welcome the start of this new legislation with open arms and hope progress is made!!!

Well, you were lied to. Actually, I guess that's not true...you may have actually been arrested, and maybe even charged; but only because the campus police officer is unknowledgeable of the laws. Sounds like a good way to get your tuition completely paid for by the University, to me.

 

[eldirector]

no marian is no longer a private institution. when they changed from marian college to marian university, they took on federal funding and lost private status. from what i was told, i could incite a riot or create an unsafe learning enviroment with my empty holster.

They are still a religious institution, sponsored by the Catholic Church. They are NOT a "state" sponsored school, like IU or Purdue. As such, this bill would have no effect on them at all.

The State colleges/universities that would be impacted are defined in the IC under 21-7-13-32:
Indiana Code 21-7-13

IC 21-7-13-32
"State educational institution"
Sec. 32. (a) "State educational institution" means any university, college, or other educational institution:
(1) existing on or after March 29, 1971;
(2) in Indiana;
(3) that provides programs of:
(A) collegiate or university education; or
(B) other postsecondary education; and
(4) that is supported in whole or in part by appropriations made by the general assembly.
(b) The term refers to the following:
(1) Ball State University.
(2) Indiana State University.
(3) Indiana University.
(4) Ivy Tech Community College.
(5) Purdue University.
(6) University of Southern Indiana.
(7) Vincennes University.

If you intentionally incite a riot, then yes, you would be breaking a law. There is no "unsafe learning environment" law in Indiana. Sounds like the campus security folks are confused between campus policy and law.