Wanting SBS

[INGunGuy]

OK, so I am watching Sons of Guns and the "master key" rail mounted SBS is EXACTLY what I am wanting. Can someone assist me in understanding if this system would be considered a cut down shotgun requiring a 200 tax or a originally manufactured SBS requiring an AOW tax of 5.

If someone can assist me in fully understanding all the ins and outs of class 3 dealing with a SBS and Indiana.

Thanks in advance.

INGunGuy

 

[curraheeguns]

SBS's can only be owned by .gov and SOT's in Indiana.

Also, even if they were legal, just because it is a factory SBS doesn't make it an AOW.

AOW is a different classification of weapon. Two different types of weapons.

Welcome to NFA.....it is clear as MMMMUUUUUDDDDDDD.

 

[Andre46996]

Corey I know you know way more then me but I had heard a rumor or might have even read it here on ONGO that the "MasterKey" was not considered a SBS.

I seem to remember VUPD being involved in the thread but I can't find it.

 

[INGunGuy]

I was under the impression that a Serbu super short with a pistol grip was legal in Indiana as a AOW.

INGunGuy

 

[curraheeguns]

Corey I know you know way more then me but I had heard a rumor or might have even read it here on ONGO that the "MasterKey" was not considered a SBS.

I seem to remember VUPD being involved in the thread but I can't find it.

That was based on a tech letter from ATF and the "owner" of the letter can believe what he wants, but I wouldn't touch one with a 1000 foot pole nor recommend any of my customer do so either.

Tech letters do not make it right, it just conveys what ATF's opinion was on the day they wrote the letter.

Until I see it in the handbook I aint doing it.

 

[curraheeguns]

I was under the impression that a Serbu super short with a pistol grip was legal in Indiana as a AOW.

INGunGuy

You are correct, AOW's are legal. SBS's are not. It is my opinion that an AOW, once mounted on a "shoulder fired weapon" also become shoulder fired.....hence a "shotgun" or a SBS.

Someone had a tech letter that said otherwise, but I personally don't buy it. Even if ATF says it is ok and that mounting your AOW does not constitute manufacturing a SBS, IN still has a state law against possessing a SBS.

It is a catch-22

 

[INGunGuy]

so then to make sure I fully understand I can in no way own a Short Barrel Shotgun in Indiana.

correct?

INGunGuy

 

[curraheeguns]

so then to make sure I fully understand I can in no way own a Short Barrel Shotgun in Indiana.

correct?

INGunGuy

Not without sworn police powers and your dept giving you a departmentally owned one as a tool of your job, or without becoming a SOT (class III dealer).

 

[curraheeguns]

However, movement is afoot to change this. Call your State Rep's and Senators.

Hopefully Britton can chime in with better knowledge on how everyone can help.

 

[INGunGuy]

Not without sworn police powers and your dept giving you a departmentally owned one as a tool of your job, or without becoming a SOT (class III dealer).

since I am neither a LEO or a SOT where does this leave me as for the possibility of owning an AOW short shotgun?

INGunGuy

 

[VUPDblue]

You can own an AOW that fires 12ga shells all day long.

 

[INGunGuy]

You can own an AOW that fires 12ga shells all day long.

OK, can you point me in that direction. Also being a AOW that would mean a 5 tax correct?

INGunGuy

 

[Revopop]

For a shotgun to be an AOW, it can never, ever, have had a shoulder stock attached to it.

the most popular one seems to be the Serbu Super Shorty.

 

[INGunGuy]

For a shotgun to be an AOW, it can never, ever, have had a shoulder stock attached to it.

the most popular one seems to be the Serbu Super Shorty.

And I dont want to put a shoulder stock on it, I want to have it mounted under my AR-15. Anyone know of a shop that sell them in Clark county? Also these would be the AOW 5 dollar tax correct? And how long does it normally take to process all the paperwork?

INGunGuy

 

[revsaxon]

And I dont want to put a shoulder stock on it, I want to have it mounted under my AR-15.

INGunGuy

IIRC that still counts as putting a sholder stock on it.

 

[INGunGuy]

IIRC that still counts as putting a sholder stock on it.

Hmmm... really.... Well how would I be able to find out if I can legally do this?

INGunGuy

 

[vitamink]

You can't...i guess i should say "shouldn't". The only way in indiana for you to own a shotgun with a short barrel is to do the AOW such as a serbu.

As such, serbu's have never had a stock on them. Now to mount a serbu on a rifle effectively puts a stock on the serbu, giving you a short barreled shotgun...which you can't own in indiana.

 

[Britton]

Hopefully Britton can chime in with better knowledge on how everyone can help.

It is being worked on. Basically the wording of the law in not correct and this should be an easy fix.

 

[CountryBoy19]

IIRC that still counts as putting a sholder stock on it.

Not according to the ATF FTB letter referrenced earlier in the thread. It's been a while since I read the letter, but from what I recall, the stock on the rifle doesn't count as a stock on the shotgun. They don't consider an masterkey setup on an AR15 rifle to be an SBS.

Also as stated by Curraheeguns, take that with a grain of salt. They've reversed letter before and they likely will in the future.

 

[revsaxon]

Not according to the ATF FTB letter referrenced earlier in the thread. It's been a while since I read the letter, but from what I recall, the stock on the rifle doesn't count as a stock on the shotgun. They don't consider an masterkey setup on an AR15 rifle to be an SBS.

Also as stated by Curraheeguns, take that with a grain of salt. They've reversed letter before and they likely will in the future.

Like you (and pretty much everyone else in the original thread) said, actually doing that is not a good idea. Id guess that was a letter that just happened to sneak out on an odd day from an odd investigator. No way that would hold up in any way shape or form, and when they reverse their opinion you don't want to be on the wrong side of that. Not that I wouldn't love to see an actual ruling on the books, id be the first person in line to buy one, as I feel my AR "needs" a master-key