Trump 2024 ???

[SheepDog4Life]

Let's be honest here, most people with a brain would be upset over the 2020 election. The election was anything but honest; it was severely tampered with.

It's healthy and encouraging to see Trump fight for righteousness because there is so little righteousness in today's government. If we the people would even fight half as much as Trump has, we would not be here today experiencing the results of the socialist party winning in the USA.

How far and deep the corruption runs when even most elected republicans would not call out the 2020 election and Trump is the guy fighting for righteousness. That’s right, a porn star diddler is one of the few fighting for righteousness…

Honestly, I've looked... in depth. I see things like PA Supreme Court extending when mail-in ballots could be received, which I don't agree with, but that ruling was 2 months before the election... not election night. I see things like arguing against allow seniors in LTC facilities under lock down to use mail-in ballots. I see claims on thousands of dead voters based solely on first name, last name and YEAR of birth searches, that when examined with full voter information, reduces to actual dead voters (fraud) you can count on one hand.

I've seen lots of claims of fraudulent voting and stolen elections, but when I dig in, and especially when I look at court filings, these reduce down to rules known before the election that were not objected to before the election, and none of them are what I would consider flagrant... for example, allowing more time for early voting and more time for mail in ballots to come in doesn't make them fraudulent votes. (unlike states that sent mail-in ballots, not applications, to all registered voters... which IMO is inherently fraudulent)

So, IMO, Trump was confident that he would win and didn't challenge rules that slightly favor more Democrat votes coming in, and lost an election he could have easily won. His ego cannot handle that, that simply cannot be in his mind, so it must have been stolen. He barely won in 2016 because Hillary was the most reviled candidate ever. He cannot accept that he took on that role in 2020. Just like million punched TRUMP in 2016 to vote AGAINST Hillary, millions did the same for Biden in 2020.

So, to me, that is the opposite of the righteous battle.

And, maybe you know something I don't... in each of the five states that Trump won in 2016 then lost in 2020, what are the best facts that shenanigans "stole" the state from Trump? That he had more votes that Biden? Or any three that would change the electoral count to his favor? Or even in any of the five: Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin?


I've looked... in depth... I don't see it because I don't think it's there.

 

[Ingomike]

Honestly, I've looked... in depth. I see things like PA Supreme Court extending when mail-in ballots could be received, which I don't agree with, but that ruling was 2 months before the election... not election night. I see things like arguing against allow seniors in LTC facilities under lock down to use mail-in ballots. I see claims on thousands of dead voters based solely on first name, last name and YEAR of birth searches, that when examined with full voter information, reduces to actual dead voters (fraud) you can count on one hand.

I've seen lots of claims of fraudulent voting and stolen elections, but when I dig in, and especially when I look at court filings, these reduce down to rules known before the election that were not objected to before the election, and none of them are what I would consider flagrant... for example, allowing more time for early voting and more time for mail in ballots to come in doesn't make them fraudulent votes. (unlike states that sent mail-in ballots, not applications, to all registered voters... which IMO is inherently fraudulent)

So, IMO, Trump was confident that he would win and didn't challenge rules that slightly favor more Democrat votes coming in, and lost an election he could have easily won. His ego cannot handle that, that simply cannot be in his mind, so it must have been stolen. He barely won in 2016 because Hillary was the most reviled candidate ever. He cannot accept that he took on that role in 2020. Just like million punched TRUMP in 2016 to vote AGAINST Hillary, millions did the same for Biden in 2020.

So, to me, that is the opposite of the righteous battle.

And, maybe you know something I don't... in each of the five states that Trump won in 2016 then lost in 2020, what are the best facts that shenanigans "stole" the state from Trump? That he had more votes that Biden? Or any three that would change the electoral count to his favor? Or even in any of the five: Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin?


I've looked... in depth... I don't see it because I don't think it's there.

It is not there because they don’t want it there. There is so much from that period that I know I saw that I cannot find now. Links that are dead. Like a fart in the wind. You either saw what happened real time and believe they stole the election or you don’t. There is no recreating it in news accounts that have been scrubbed.

I am struck by the naïveté of your post. That the gatekeepers that would shut down simple social media posts would allow any reporting they control to counter the narrative is laughable…

 

[KG1]

Honestly, I've looked... in depth. I see things like PA Supreme Court extending when mail-in ballots could be received, which I don't agree with, but that ruling was 2 months before the election... not election night. I see things like arguing against allow seniors in LTC facilities under lock down to use mail-in ballots. I see claims on thousands of dead voters based solely on first name, last name and YEAR of birth searches, that when examined with full voter information, reduces to actual dead voters (fraud) you can count on one hand.

I've seen lots of claims of fraudulent voting and stolen elections, but when I dig in, and especially when I look at court filings, these reduce down to rules known before the election that were not objected to before the election, and none of them are what I would consider flagrant... for example, allowing more time for early voting and more time for mail in ballots to come in doesn't make them fraudulent votes. (unlike states that sent mail-in ballots, not applications, to all registered voters... which IMO is inherently fraudulent)

So, IMO, Trump was confident that he would win and didn't challenge rules that slightly favor more Democrat votes coming in, and lost an election he could have easily won. His ego cannot handle that, that simply cannot be in his mind, so it must have been stolen. He barely won in 2016 because Hillary was the most reviled candidate ever. He cannot accept that he took on that role in 2020. Just like million punched TRUMP in 2016 to vote AGAINST Hillary, millions did the same for Biden in 2020.

So, to me, that is the opposite of the righteous battle.

And, maybe you know something I don't... in each of the five states that Trump won in 2016 then lost in 2020, what are the best facts that shenanigans "stole" the state from Trump? That he had more votes that Biden? Or any three that would change the electoral count to his favor? Or even in any of the five: Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin?


I've looked... in depth... I don't see it because I don't think it's there.

I think primarily what the issue is with those that think there was election fraud is they simply wanted an explanation to their satisfaction of things that didn't add up or appeared sketchy and they feel that they didn't get it.

 

[Ingomike]

I think primarily what the issue is with those that think there was election fraud is they simply wanted an explanation to their satisfaction of things that didn't add up or appeared sketchy and they feel that they didn't get it.

This is a good start. Then add discovery, depositions, access to security video footage, all records, access to election software and logs, chain of custody logs, etc…

 

[DragonGunner]

There was no fraud at twitter either. Until someone got in charge and could look and find and show the lies and deception. Same will go probably years from now when the truth comes out about fraud in the election. Of course most of the media won’t report on that either.

 

[Ingomike]

Yes or no question for any that want to answer.

Shoud any ballots without an accurate chain of custody log be counted in an election?

 

[DragonGunner]

Yes or no question for any that want to answer.

Shoud any ballots without an accurate chain of custody log be counted in an election?

Only ballots are a person shows up with ID. No mail in. Just my 2 cents.

 

[indyblue]

Only ballots are a person shows up with ID. No mail in. Just my 2 cents.

That'll never get changed with the DEMS/Progressives in charge of those legislatures. And since they have fixed the elections to ensure conservatives never get the majority, it is an infinite loop and they are in power forever.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Yes or no question for any that want to answer.

Shoud any ballots without an accurate chain of custody log be counted in an election?

Only ballots are a person shows up with ID. No mail in. Just my 2 cents.

So out military personnel and those supporting them overseas cannot vote?!??!

I take great issue with that... and so would many of my kin.

 

[indyblue]

So out military personnel and those supporting them overseas cannot vote?!??!

I take great issue with that... and so would many of my kin.

I believe it is meant no more unsolicited mass mail-in ballots, NOT absentee ballots which are a completely different animal.
Absentee ballots must be requested by the voter under limited circumstances (overseas personnel, disabled/limited travel capacity voters).

 

[SheepDog4Life]

It is not there because they don’t want it there. There is so much from that period that I know I saw that I cannot find now. Links that are dead. Like a fart in the wind. You either saw what happened real time and believe they stole the election or you don’t. There is no recreating it in news accounts that have been scrubbed.

I am struck by the naïveté of your post. That the gatekeepers that would shut down simple social media posts would allow any reporting they control to counter the narrative is laughable…

There was no fraud at twitter either. Until someone got in charge and could look and find and show the lies and deception. Same will go probably years from now when the truth comes out about fraud in the election. Of course most of the media won’t report on that either.

Shadowbans were easy to prove... all you needed was two people with twitter.

But somehow, all of the massive and "irrefutable evidence" (Trump's words) of fraud has been wiped from the Internet, irretreivably, because nobody can do a screen copy.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

I believe it is meant no more unsolicited mass mail-in ballots, NOT absentee ballots which are a completely different animal.
Absentee ballots must be requested by the voter under limited circumstances (overseas personnel, disabled/limited travel capacity voters).

More than one on here has said show up ON ELECTION DAY and vote in person or you cannot vote.

(sorry, IndyBlue, my rant below is not directed towards you)

One of the reasons Trump sought to throw out one of the states is because they allowed quarantined elderly in Long Term Care (nursing homes, assisted living, group settings) to do mail-in votes.

Really? Really?

That's just like Gore fighting the military vote in court in 2000... anything to win. Fair election to win by votes? **** that, just as long "I" win.

Blah!

 

[Ziggidy]

Yes or no question for any that want to answer.

Shoud any ballots without an accurate chain of custody log be counted in an election?

No....

 

[indyblue]

One of the reasons Trump sought to throw out one of the states is because they allowed quarantined elderly in Long Term Care (nursing homes, assisted living, group settings) to do mail-in votes.

There were videos & depositions showing democratic operatives going into nursing homes and pre-filling out ballots for them to sign, many of which likely did not even have the capacity to understand or read those ballots they were signing. And we have no idea how many of them could (understand). Should an elderly person who doesn't even have power of attorney (i.e. given to family members) even be allowed to vote?

(I don't know the legality of such persons voting, is it legal to vote if you don't even have POA for ones own personal affairs and would it be a good idea to allow such?) Maybe a good discussion in itself.

 

[Ingomike]

So out military personnel and those supporting them overseas cannot vote?!??!

I take great issue with that... and so would many of my kin.

What does that have to do with my question?

 

[Ingomike]

Shadowbans were easy to prove... all you needed was two people with twitter.

But somehow, all of the massive and "irrefutable evidence" (Trump's words) of fraud has been wiped from the Internet, irretreivably, because nobody can do a screen copy.

Such small thinking…

 

[Ingomike]

More than one on here has said show up ON ELECTION DAY and vote in person or you cannot vote.

(sorry, IndyBlue, my rant below is not directed towards you)

One of the reasons Trump sought to throw out one of the states is because they allowed quarantined elderly in Long Term Care (nursing homes, assisted living, group settings) to do mail-in votes.

Really? Really?

That's just like Gore fighting the military vote in court in 2000... anything to win. Fair election to win by votes? **** that, just as long "I" win.

Blah!

Yep, thinking like yours and JK is why we have unsecured elections. It is not just the left. There is a cost to unsecured elections and a different cost for convenience in elections. The reason the laws will not get changed is that NO ONE wants the inconvenience of secure elections.

Your nursing home example is the same old sob story as the old woman that cannot drive and does not have a license. They make up a negligible statistical group but open holes fraudsters can drive truck loads of ballots through.

More small thinking, is our military so ineffective that it is incapable of maintaining a chain of custody of election ballots? It can be done if the priority is there. Are you aware that, as I have read, those precious military ballots are often never even processed unless there is a need for them to, like if there is a 10k win and 5k of military ballots that are not needed, again as I have read, varies by state…

 

[DragonGunner]

So out military personnel and those supporting them overseas cannot vote?!??!

I take great issue with that... and so would many of my kin.

They can show ID and vote on a ballot in person in a base they are stationed. No mail in. And I’m not sure how you concluded I said they can’t vote except to argue. Where did I say military couldn’t vote? I take issue with that. I was military by the way in case you couldn’t figure that either. Another one hits the ignore list on this one. Bye.

 

[LeftyGunner]

Shadowbans were easy to prove... all you needed was two people with twitter.

But somehow, all of the massive and "irrefutable evidence" (Trump's words) of fraud has been wiped from the Internet, irretreivably, because nobody can do a screen copy.

This.

Trump has been using his “rigged election” schtick since 2016 as a way to explain away any potential losses he might face.

The Kraken didn’t materialize because, let’s face it, large-scale election fraud is not a trivial undertaking…it requires manipulation of either the votes or the voters; it would necessarily involve a conspiracy. With a billion-dollar book and speaking deal waiting for anyone willing to expose such a conspiracy, the odds of success seem absurd.

The claims of suitcases full of ballots never made sense, those ballots have to be attached to registered voters…it isn’t a frito-lay sweepstakes, there is a finite pool. It would be almost impossible to gather suitcases full of unclaimed ballots from registered voters…how would the scammers know if the legitimate owners of those ballots already cast them for themselves or not?

Same thing with the switching of votes, it only takes a cursory look into the way those machines work to see that there is always a separate input log and tally log...often printed to paper simultaneously, in real time. In other words, the actual inputs from voters and the accrued tallies are, by necessity (and likely statute) auditable against the reported results.

In the end, it is likely easier to manipulate the voters than it is to manipulate the votes. I don’t really see how that could be stopped…people have a first amendment right to lobby for their chosen candidate or party, and I have the right to cast a ballot completed by a third party if I so choose.

 

[Twangbanger]

Question for anyone who wants to answer:

What Blue states do you think Trump can flip in 2024?