Trump 2024 ???

[BugI02]

Still doesn't change that 2 to 1, independents don't want him to run again... as well as 37% of Republicans.

Cite?

 

[foszoe]

So you think what you know less about than I do should remain hidden?

Good call, start now - but it might drastically affect your post count going forward

Nope. Think you may be hiding it though. Understandable given your position.

I admit I know less about Trump than you know. I also admit I know way less about Trump than you proclaim to know.

All in all, I just know less than you think you know.

That's fine. An agent provocateur thrives on seemingly knowing more than others.

 

[BugI02]

@BugI02 I'm also seeing the CfG endorsed Thomas Massie from the beginning, his first run in 2012, as well as 2020 when he had a primary challenger. And that Massie scores high on their scorecard.

National Club For Growth Endorses Massie in Fourth Congressional District Primary

A national conservative organization has thrown its support behind Thomas Massie in Kentucky’s Fourth Congressional District GOP Primary.The Club for…

www.lpm.org

Thomas Massie

www.clubforgrowth.org

So given my high regard for Massie, I reject your charge that they are evil incarnate and might actually be the good guys.

So, Trump endorsed on Massie May 10, 2022. That was before the primary, so it was indeed an endorsement in the primary (it wasn't soon enough in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...)

Once again Trump picks a winner as do other conservative donors, so another leak in the 'Trump uniquely picks losers or his endorsements were expected to win and don't count' narrative

 

[BugI02]

Nope. Think you may be hiding it though. Understandable given your position.

I admit I know less about Trump than you know. I also admit I know way less about Trump than you proclaim to know.

All in all, I just know less than you think you know.

That's fine. An agent provocateur thrives on seemingly knowing more than others.

So, it seems you pride yourself on what you don't know, but I must point out that agent provocateur doesn't mean what it appears you think it does, and you might wish to review the definition - unless you think urging people to vote for Trump equates to encourage them to commit violence or illegal acts

If you think encouraging Trump support is literally violence, you must be a progressive

If you think encouraging Trump support is encouraging them to commit an illegal act, you must be a member of the Jan 6 commission or something

Either way, arguably a fifth columnist on INGO

 

[foszoe]

So, it seems you pride yourself on what you don't know, but I must point out that agent provocateur doesn't mean what it appears you think it does, and you might wish to review the definition - unless you think urging people to vote for Trump equates to encourage them to commit violence or illegal acts

If you think encouraging Trump support is literally violence, you must be a progressive

If you think encouraging Trump support is encouraging them to commit an illegal act, you must be a member of the Jan 6 commission or something

Either way, arguably a fifth columnist on INGO

The given assumption is you are encouraging Trump support.

You ain't.

You keep deflecting to Desantis. You do it over and over. You want to talk Trump, go for it!

Hence Agent Bug.

 

[DragonGunner]

Sorry guys.
The reality is that it doesn’t matter what candidate is running for most offices.
We will not have a legitimate election going forward in this country until people accept this fact first. Our elections are rigged.
What do we do about it?
I don’t know

And when we get a fair election it still won’t matter because both parties are spending us into collapse. Last year taxes brought in $4 trillion and democrats spent $7 trillion. If a R gets in it will be the same. Each party spends like insane criminals while we debate about anything and everything except spending. When was the last time a party or president said the debt will start to be paid off and balance the budget and then did it? Newt 3 decades ago balance the budget for a short time, that’s been about it.

 

[Route 45]

Newt 3 decades ago balance the budget for a short time, that’s been about it.

If we can go 30 years without balancing the budget, it might be reasonably asked if it really even matters.

 

[BugI02]

If we can go 30 years without balancing the budget, it might be reasonably asked if it really even matters.

Gradually, then suddenly

 

[BugI02]

The given assumption is you are encouraging Trump support.

You ain't.

You keep deflecting to Desantis. You do it over and over. You want to talk Trump, go for it!

Hence Agent Bug.

I am defending Trump against the unwarranted assertion that he backs only losers and the red dribble is his (and only his) fault

How I am doing that is to show that other GOP donors picked the same as Trump and those picks lost, so Trump isn't the only one picking losers nor were his picks particularly out there. If the Masters pick was such a disaster the paymaster for Competence Man also made that pick, so perhaps their judgement is suspect

And I didn't ask for nor do I need your permission to do so

 

[KLB]

If we can go 30 years without balancing the budget, it might be reasonably asked if it really even matters.

Seriously? Interest on our debt is almost $500B right now. That is with historically low interest rates for about 15 years. Now rates are climbing, and that number will start going up too.

Here is another telling image. 30 years ago our debt was a little over half of our GDP. Now it exceeds it.


If the debt is so meaningless, why do we even pretend it is ever going to be repaid?

 

[Ingomike]

If the debt is so meaningless, why do we even pretend it is ever going to be repaid?

The root problem is normalcy bias. “There has been massive debt as long as I can remember and life has been good.” Try to talk to folks about debt and they start singing la la la la la la so they don’t accidentally hear the truth.

 

[Route 45]

The root problem is normalcy bias. “There has been massive debt as long as I can remember and life has been good.” Try to talk to folks about debt and they start singing la la la la la la so they don’t accidentally hear the truth.

And what is the truth? Here is some truth for you...

There's nothing you can do about it.

I can't imagine how miserable some of you must be. Worrying about this silly ****.

 

[Ingomike]

And what is the truth? Here is some truth for you...

There's nothing you can do about it.

I can't imagine how miserable some of you must be. Worrying about this silly ****.

You cannot imagine how happy it makes me to tell you the truth that you cannot handle…

 

[SheepDog4Life]

So, Trump endorsed on Massie May 10, 2022. That was before the primary, so it was indeed an endorsement in the primary (it wasn't soon enough in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...)

Once again Trump picks a winner as do other conservative donors, so another leak in the 'Trump uniquely picks losers or his endorsements were expected to win and don't count' narrative

Eh, just figure on me ignoring any post you make concerning CfG... obviously a canard and just Trump's sore loser-itis that CfG had a better handle on who could win than he did...

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Cite?

Literally the link in my post you quoted...

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Same canard. How could Trump be in bed with them prior to his ever running for office and how is it on him that they decided to suck his ... ring ... when he had power they wanted to use. Maybe you should list all the contributions to Trump or fundraising they did for him

Trump is on stage at his own rally crowing about how him and the President of CfG worked together so well... and then brought him up on stage... well, in April 2022 before Trump started picking clowns for candidates and they parted ways.

AGAIN, AFTER TRUMP WAS ELECTED thru early 2022.

Oh, but wait, you were insisting that Trump holding fundraisers for Zeldin wasn't real support, since he didn't endorse him in the primary. Since we know that CfG never endorsed Trump for anything, any fundraising they did for him (as if) wouldn't count anyway. Maybe you can show the contributions they made to Trump, then. Surely you have SOME basis for saying Trump was in bed with them besides your general Trump animosity, yes?

Not even close to what I claimed... Zeldin and Trump held no joint rallies. NO PICTURES OF THEM HOLDING HANDS... as an, in your words, "unabashed Trump supporter" would do. Quiet, private per plate fund-raiser. That's not unabashed support... and openly embracing Trump.

As for CfG's support for open borders, beyond the fact they are capitalist libertarian, they have no official position on illegal immigration. That alone should tell you something, but otherwise you will have to rely on what their head says about the issue, which I leave up to you to post as I've already done so. Lastly, I think being DeSantis' largest donor for almost his whole career means it's way more likely he's between the sheets with them than Trump is

Sure, whatever... like I said, your CfG rant is vapors to me... and you do realize that in three house campaigns and two governor campaigns that DeSantis has raised almost $300 MILLION! So no, CfG is a drop in the bucket.

Open Secrets... google it.

And, really, the issue isn't solely CfG. We got started on this when you wanted to say Trump and only Trump picked losers. I have proved that Competence Man picked some of the same losers as did Competence Man's paymasters. The conversation then became a twisting attempt to muddy the waters so you wouldn't have to admit that Trump's picks, outside of your little world view, were not uniquely bad or unshared by others. Finally, if they supported Cruz, Rubio and Rand (why limit it to 2015, though)good on them (with the caveat that Little Marco was part of the last attempt at illegal alien amnesty as part of the Gang of Eight. If he ran in my state I'd back his challenger in the primary), but weren't those examples of candidates EXPECTED to win in non-competitive races that you're always on about in order to devalue actual wins backed by Trump?

Trump picked clowns in imminently winnable races and also ****-canned Ducey in Arizona because Ducey wouldn't throw the 2020 election for him.

Oz, Walker, Vance, and Lake were uniquely TRUMP'S picks, no one elses.

He also signed on to endorse Thiel's errand boy because he would rather that we lose an AZ senate seat than pick a winner named Ducey.

All due to his temper tantrum over losing the 2020 election... next level sore loser.

 

[Ziggidy]

All due to his temper tantrum over losing the 2020 election... next level sore loser.

Let's be honest here, most people with a brain would be upset over the 2020 election. The election was anything but honest; it was severely tampered with.

It's healthy and encouraging to see Trump fight for righteousness because there is so little righteousness in today's government. If we the people would even fight half as much as Trump has, we would not be here today experiencing the results of the socialist party winning in the USA.

 

[Ingomike]

Let's be honest here, most people with a brain would be upset over the 2020 election. The election was anything but honest; it was severely tampered with.

It's healthy and encouraging to see Trump fight for righteousness because there is so little righteousness in today's government. If we the people would even fight half as much as Trump has, we would not be here today experiencing the results of the socialist party winning in the USA.

How far and deep the corruption runs when even most elected republicans would not call out the 2020 election and Trump is the guy fighting for righteousness. That’s right, a porn star diddler is one of the few fighting for righteousness…

 

[foszoe]

I am defending Trump against the unwarranted assertion that he backs only losers and the red dribble is his (and only his) fault

How I am doing that is to show that other GOP donors picked the same as Trump and those picks lost, so Trump isn't the only one picking losers nor were his picks particularly out there. If the Masters pick was such a disaster the paymaster for Competence Man also made that pick, so perhaps their judgement is suspect

And I didn't ask for nor do I need your permission to do so

Ok so your defense is Trump, when it comes to his picks vs other GOP donors, isn't any better.

I cut my fingernails today because they were getting in they way. Without permission from anybody.

That's about as relevant as your last line as I never mentioned needing or asking for permission.

I mentioned an inability to stay on the thread topic of Trump 2024 instead talking about XXXX 2024 candidates one of which has his own thread. I hinted that advocating by equating or deflection is not really advocating.

Its just weird that the best Trump defense regarding candidate picks is that he was really no different from anyone else. So regarding Trump and coattails, it appears Trump has no advantage for 2024 over any other declared candidate.

 

[indyblue]

Colorado election results: Lauren Boebert wins re-election by 546 votes, recount confirms

Republican Rep. Lauren Boebert narrowly defeated Democrat Adam Frisch in the race for Colorado's 3rd Congressional District, a recount confirmed.

www.foxnews.com

A staunch Trump supporter, Boebert enthusiastically embraced the derogatory Democratic accusation of being an "Ultra MAGA" Republican and insisted the only way Republicans would lose in the 2022 midterms is if they "start acting like Democrats."