TMZ shows video footage of cop shooting civilian in hotel hallway.

[bwframe]

Is the "war on drugs" really about drugs anymore, or is it about the gangs and syndicates that make it their business? How do you find the real criminals if you can't pinch the user for where they got the product?

 

[Ggreen]

The militarization of the police has followed the trend of the world and the US to put out more and more militarized individuals. I was born in 86, I knew a few good years without blood, gore, beheadings, etc being force fed to a screen in my hand we held our innocence a little longer than the generation coming of age today. Kids are being raised on call of duty, not blaming violent video games for violent behavior I blame violent leaders for keeping us in large scale armed conflict for coming up on 20 years for influencing the video games, kids have access to videos of beheadings, constant bombardment of propaganda that polarizes and segments people by the most trivial of things. The police must be equipped to deal with the real threat they face, the answer isn't demilitarizing them it is demilitarizing our society's mindset.

I do think this event can be turned into useful real world training. Focusing on managing stress in order to give logical commands, but I don't necessarily think this was an event that demilitarizing would have changed. Lot's of "busts" in the Phoenix area using tank like vehicles and swat teams on families being trafficked would be a better argument against militarized police forces. The equipment gave them the confidence to carry out operations that should have been taken care of through the guidance and leadership of trained federal forces. But, that is another topic for another day that will probably lead to more people putting me on the ignore list lol.

 

[phylodog]

The equipment gave them the confidence to carry out operations that should have been taken care of through the guidance and leadership of trained federal forces. But, that is another topic for another day that will probably lead to more people putting me on the ignore list lol.

Lol

 

[Sylvain]

The militarization of the police has followed the trend of the world and the US to put out more and more militarized individuals. I was born in 86, I knew a few good years without blood, gore, beheadings, etc being force fed to a screen in my hand we held our innocence a little longer than the generation coming of age today. Kids are being raised on call of duty, not blaming violent video games for violent behavior I blame violent leaders for keeping us in large scale armed conflict for coming up on 20 years for influencing the video games, kids have access to videos of beheadings, constant bombardment of propaganda that polarizes and segments people by the most trivial of things. The police must be equipped to deal with the real threat they face, the answer isn't demilitarizing them it is demilitarizing our society's mindset.

I do think this event can be turned into useful real world training. Focusing on managing stress in order to give logical commands, but I don't necessarily think this was an event that demilitarizing would have changed. Lot's of "busts" in the Phoenix area using tank like vehicles and swat teams on families being trafficked would be a better argument against militarized police forces. The equipment gave them the confidence to carry out operations that should have been taken care of through the guidance and leadership of trained federal forces. But, that is another topic for another day that will probably lead to more people putting me on the ignore list lol.

There's no such thing as a "violent video game" btw.
Some video games show a depiction of violence but that's not violence.Same for movies.
There's zero violence in a video game.
A character made of pixels cannot be violent towards another fictional character.

 

[Ggreen]

There's no such thing as a "violent video game" btw.
Some video games show a depiction of violence but that's not violence.Same for movies.
There's zero violence in a video game.
A character made of pixels cannot be violent towards another fictional character.

That is a lie. Art is one of the most powerful and suggestive forms of communication to the developing mind. There is a long history of using suggestive images, videos, and interactive excercises to mentally condition humans to be receptive to training. I enjoy playing shooters, but to say that what I'm watching and participating in is not violent is extremely ignorant.

 

[Sylvain]

Lol

What's so funny? The feds showed great guidance, training and leadership during the Waco siege.They are far better than local cops.

Ah, nevermind.I see why it's funny.

 

[Ggreen]

What's so funny? The feds showed great guidance, training and leadership during the Waco siege.They are far better than local cops.

Ah, nevermind.I see why it's funny.

Maricopa county showed great guidance, training, and leadership by arresting two NCO's from my squadron at Luke AFB when they were arrested for being brown without ID's while out on a run training for a marathon.

 

[Sylvain]

That is a lie. Art is one of the most powerful and suggestive forms of communication to the developing mind. There is a long history of using suggestive images, videos, and interactive excercises to mentally condition humans to be receptive to training. I enjoy playing shooters, but to say that what I'm watching and participating in is not violent is extremely ignorant.

Well it's just a fact.You can't have violence in fiction.
Nobody is being hurt in a video game when you "kill" "people".
Violence only happens in the real world, in the fictional world (video game, movie, book etc) you can only have depiction of violence.
You can't hurt or kill pixels on your TV screen.Therefore you are not being violent when you play a video game.

It's the same thing with movies.There's no actual violence, actors are not killing each other for real.

 

[Ggreen]

Well it's just a fact.You can't have violence in fiction.
Nobody is being hurt in a video game when you "kill" "people".
Violence only happens in the real world, in the fictional world (video game, movie, book etc) you can only have depiction of violence.
You can't hurt or kill pixels on your TV screen.Therefore you are not being violent when you play a video game.

It's the same thing with movies.There's no actual violence, actors are not killing each other for real.

So when I see a beheading on youtube or any other internet outlet, it's not violent because it is just pixels to me. Simulator training for air crews must also be a waste of time, because you can't "fly" watching pixels while in a moving box attached to the ground via hydraulic rams. Scenario based video simulation training is also pointless because it's only pixels. Video games are closer to simulators every year. The military has capitalized on this by expanding the use of drones exponentially which exploits the use of skills developed by growing up playing games. Military contractors use control groups of kids to help develop controls that the kids find most natural because of their time playing video games. It's all just pixels on a screen.

 

[Route 45]

Maricopa county showed great guidance, training, and leadership by arresting two NCO's from my squadron at Luke AFB when they were arrested for being brown without ID's while out on a run training for a marathon.

 

[Denny347]

The militarization of the police has followed the trend of the world and the US to put out more and more militarized individuals. I was born in 86, I knew a few good years without blood, gore, beheadings, etc being force fed to a screen in my hand we held our innocence a little longer than the generation coming of age today. Kids are being raised on call of duty, not blaming violent video games for violent behavior I blame violent leaders for keeping us in large scale armed conflict for coming up on 20 years for influencing the video games, kids have access to videos of beheadings, constant bombardment of propaganda that polarizes and segments people by the most trivial of things. The police must be equipped to deal with the real threat they face, the answer isn't demilitarizing them it is demilitarizing our society's mindset.

I do think this event can be turned into useful real world training. Focusing on managing stress in order to give logical commands, but I don't necessarily think this was an event that demilitarizing would have changed. Lot's of "busts" in the Phoenix area using tank like vehicles and swat teams on families being trafficked would be a better argument against militarized police forces. The equipment gave them the confidence to carry out operations that should have been taken care of through the guidance and leadership of trained federal forces. But, that is another topic for another day that will probably lead to more people putting me on the ignore list lol.

Lol, you obviously haven't worked with many.

 

[Gabriel]

Just came to check in on this thread and...

 

[Sylvain]

So when I see a beheading on youtube or any other internet outlet, it's not violent because it is just pixels to me. Simulator training for air crews must also be a waste of time, because you can't "fly" watching pixels while in a moving box attached to the ground via hydraulic rams. Scenario based video simulation training is also pointless because it's only pixels. Video games are closer to simulators every year. The military has capitalized on this by expanding the use of drones exponentially which exploits the use of skills developed by growing up playing games. Military contractors use control groups of kids to help develop controls that the kids find most natural because of their time playing video games. It's all just pixels on a screen.

I was only talking about video games.
If you watch a video of a real beheading then that's actual violence.
That's a real person being killed.
If it's a fake beheading in a movie there's no violence at all.
And I'm obviously not saying that flight simulators are a waste of time or that you can't get some kind of traing out of video games.
I'm just saying that computer generated pixels in video games are not actual people, therefore there's no violence involved when you "kill" them in a game.

Sorry for the folks.

 

[Sylvain]

Just came to check in on this thread and...

Yeah, well, that's just like, your opinion, man.

Also that rug really tied the room together.

 

[rennocneb]

Here is our hero of the day:

Thats not a hero thats a crimminal that should be locked up. This isnt the only time this idiot used excessive force either. Do some googling. Secondly how about the fact you shouldnt be discharging high velocity rounds inside a crowded hotel?

 

[actaeon277]

Thats not a hero thats a crimminal that should be locked up. This isnt the only time this idiot used excessive force either. Do some googling. Secondly how about the fact you shouldnt be discharging high velocity rounds inside a crowded hotel?

I think you missed the sarcasm.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Thats not a hero thats a crimminal that should be locked up. This isnt the only time this idiot used excessive force either. Do some googling. Secondly how about the fact you shouldnt be discharging high velocity rounds inside a crowded hotel?

Says who? The shoot seems bad, no denying that, but there's no issue with deploying a rifle to reach parity with someone else who has a rifle, regardless of environment.

 

[actaeon277]

Not to mention, pistol bullets penetate walls MORE than those "high velocity" rounds you're talking about.
1st article is an "independent"review.
2nd article has some stats and quotes from the FBI.

https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2012/10/9mm-vs-223-got-enough-gun/


Why ?High Powered? 5.56 NATO/.223 AR-15 Ammo is Safer For Home Defense (FBI overpenetration testing) | Prepared Gun Owners

 

[singlesix]

Thats not a hero thats a crimminal that should be locked up. This isnt the only time this idiot used excessive force either. Do some googling. Secondly how about the fact you shouldnt be discharging high velocity rounds inside a crowded hotel?

https://www.theboxotruth.com/

Good resource for some actual testing verse Gun Store "knowledge/lore".

 

[singlesix]

I every time I come back it still churns my guts about this situation. Guess I should take a break for the Holidays.