The Official "Business Destroyed By Lockdown" Thread

[JettaKnight]

If we end end the terrible practice of tipping, then all this was worth it.


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[actaeon277]

A lot of servers would get mad because of the pay cut.

 

[maxwelhse]

I'm not gonna spend much time on Reddit, but in general I approve of the idea of knowing what stuff costs when I buy it. If they want to pay their people $200/hr to make them happy, I don't have to buy the $230 steak.

In general, I'm an outstanding tipper so they're probably doing the opposite and making it way cheaper for me. So... I approve again.

 

[bwframe]

A lot of servers would get mad because of the pay cut.

Only the good ones.

As stated in that reddit thread, a bartender contributor said he'd be pissed to take the pay cut. He makes $20-40 an hour in tips. Those who have spent much time in the serving or managing end, understand there are real advantages to low hourly pay and tip income.

The lazy and inefficient do get weeded pretty quick.

 

[JettaKnight]

Only the good ones.

As stated in that reddit thread, a bartender contributor said he'd be pissed to take the pay cut. He makes $20-40 an hour in tips. Those who have spent much time in the serving or managing end, understand there are real advantages to low hourly pay and tip income.

The lazy and inefficient do get weeded pretty quick.

Good servers don't necessarily make more than bad. It has more to do with the cost of the meal, and a whole lot of psychology.

Good servers get good jobs (like every other freakin' industry).

 

[maxwelhse]

Good servers don't necessarily make more than bad. It has more to do with the cost of the meal, and a whole lot of psychology.

Good servers get good jobs (like every other freakin' industry).

Case in point, some of the worst service I ever had was for a party of 6 at a top 1/3 tier restaurant. It was SO bad I had considered no tip at all. Turns out for parties of 6 or more they included a mandatory 20% tip (this was 10 years ago when I would have considered 20% to be above and beyond).

We all ordered salads, soups, drinks, steaks, seafood, etc, etc. The worst service I've ever had, maybe anywhere, and she still got I think about a $60 tip out of me.

I was pissed. It was a double mother's day celebration, which she ruined, but I didn't want to make it worse by speaking to a manager.

What it did do is drop that place from one of everybody's favorites on down to... I don't think I ever went back again. I should. Their food was good when properly written on the ticket and served correctly.

 

[IndyBeerman]

A lot of servers would get mad because of the pay cut.

Only the good ones.

Good servers make righteous $$$'s.

I had a helper back in the day making $1200.00 a week working at Olive Garden back in the day. The only reason he was working as a helper hauling beer was for insurance. The guy was making more money than I was.

If you're good, you rake in the $$$'s,

 

[DoggyDaddy]

In general, I'm an outstanding tipper so they're probably doing the opposite and making it way cheaper for me. So... I approve again.

Well, they raised their menu prices by about 20%, so unless you routinely tip over 20% it would be a wash at best.

 

[rooster]

three thoughts
1. If they want to implement whatever utopian dream they have in their own business of equal pay, health benefits, weekends off then go for it. It’s their business to run into the ground as they see fit.

2. Bloomington is very liberal so many will probably go out of their way initially to support the change. That novelty will die off quickly though so it will take at least 6 months before they can know if it will be sustainable.

3. I’ll bet a dime to a dollar they (the owners) are making more money per beer even after higher wages. Even bleeding heart liberals are greedy capitalists when they get the chance

 

[gregkl]

This might not make much sense because it was a response to another thread and when I saw it was a dupe(thank you DD), I just cut it and pasted it here. Seems like a lot of this was said in previous posts. Carry on.

They did give them a healthy raise but also increased their prices. They were just okay the couple times I went but I most likely won't be going back now that they increased the prices. I suppose one could stil tip them, but I'm not sure.

I'm sure he is correct on the tipping. I'd like to see the "study" of how the actual service and personality of the service effects disparity. These folks are quick to point to race and gender for the reasons. Let's see how they actually are in their role.

If businesses want to go to a no tipping model, that's fine. But unless you pay them well, they will have difficulty in finding help and retaining them. That type of work is rather thankless, but a good server can make good money. Well in excess of $15/hr they would make working at the car wash. If they pay a wage that is on parity with other jobs, it could get tough for them.

 

[HoughMade]

The real haircut with eliminating tipping is on taxes....y'know, having to pay them on what you actually make.

 

[maxwelhse]

Well, they raised their menu prices by about 20%, so unless you routinely tip over 20% it would be a wash at best.

I've tipped beyond 100% before and 50% isn't uncommon.

I have not been to a sit-down restaurant in over a year and it had been 2 years prior to that. When I go, I want to have a good time and that includes with the staff. If the staff is fun, I want them to know I appreciated it.

This is also not for lunch down at the Big Boy. I'm talking about a special family event or special date night or something where we're going all out anyhow. $200 for dinner or $300 with tip doesn't really matter much at that point.

 

[MarkC]

I've tipped beyond 100% before and 50% isn't uncommon.

I have not been to a sit-down restaurant in over a year and it had been 2 years prior to that. When I go, I want to have a good time and that includes with the staff. If the staff is fun, I want them to know I appreciated it.

This is also not for lunch down at the Big Boy. I'm talking about a special family event or special date night or something where we're going all out anyhow. $200 for dinner or $300 with tip doesn't really matter much at that point.

Mrs. MarkC and I have been consistently "overtipping," with a target of 25-30% if the service was decent, so, generous, but certainly not Maxwellhse generous!

We have appreciated the places that stayed open through the height of the pandemic, and appreciate those willing to work in something as challenging as food service.

I've never been in food service, so I don't have the first person, hands on experience that many upthread have, but it seems to me those who are most adamant that we need to abolish tipping and pay servers a "living wage" are either the less effective wait staff who are not currently earning awesome tips, or the socialist busy bodies who know better than those actually working in the field.

 

[maxwelhse]

Mrs. MarkC and I have been consistently "overtipping," with a target of 25-30% if the service was decent, so, generous, but certainly not Maxwellhse generous!

We have appreciated the places that stayed open through the height of the pandemic, and appreciate those willing to work in something as challenging as food service.

I've never been in food service, so I don't have the first person, hands on experience that many upthread have, but it seems to me those who are most adamant that we need to abolish tipping and pay servers a "living wage" are either the less effective wait staff who are not currently earning awesome tips, or the socialist busy bodies who know better than those actually working in the field.

Do keep in mind that I never go out, so, in aggregate I'm basically a non-tipper.

I'm in favor of people getting compensated fairly for their labor. I don't go to any other business and decide what I'm going to pay for it that day. Let them sort that out with the employer the same way the rest of us do. If a bartender brings enough business to the establishment to warrant $50 an hour, pay them $50 an hour. Doesn't make me any difference.

 

[JettaKnight]

Mrs. MarkC and I have been consistently "overtipping," with a target of 25-30% if the service was decent, so, generous, but certainly not Maxwellhse generous!

We have appreciated the places that stayed open through the height of the pandemic, and appreciate those willing to work in something as challenging as food service.

I've never been in food service, so I don't have the first person, hands on experience that many upthread have, but it seems to me those who are most adamant that we need to abolish tipping and pay servers a "living wage" are either the less effective wait staff who are not currently earning awesome tips, or the socialist busy bodies who know better than those actually working in the field.

Or people "on the spectrum" who can't figure out the rules. Like why do we tip in only certain worker in certain industries? Why don't I tip the cook or the bus boy, or my doctor, or a stewardess, or the pilot ....

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Or people "on the spectrum" who can't figure out the rules. Like why do we tip in only certain worker in certain industries? Why don't I tip the cook or the bus boy, or my doctor, or a stewardess, or the pilot ....

Are those other people you mention making $2 and change per hour (without tips)? That's your answer.

 

[HoughMade]

Or people "on the spectrum" who can't figure out the rules. Like why do we tip in only certain worker in certain industries? Why don't I tip the cook or the bus boy, or my doctor, or a stewardess, or the pilot ....

Are we trying to figure out why every tradition is a tradition now?

...and why no tipping for the lawyer?

 

[maxwelhse]

Are we trying to figure out why every tradition is a tradition now?

...and why no tipping for the lawyer?

Can't find him drunk enough to make it easy.

 

[MarkC]

Are we trying to figure out why every tradition is a tradition now?

...and why no tipping for the lawyer?

As a government lawyer, I'd just be forced to remit the tip to the State anyway....

 

[HoughMade]

As a government lawyer, I'd just be forced to remit the tip to the State anyway....

In 23 years of practice, I have had 1 client who took me and the defense team out for a nice steak dinner after a successful trial and 1 client who sent me a very nice ham after an unsuccessful trial with a very reasonable verdict. That's it.