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    Found this on the web - interseting

    The Gun is Civilization
    by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

    Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.

    In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

    When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.

    The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

    There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

    People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

    Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

    People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

    The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

    When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation... and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

    By Maj. L. C audill USM C (Ret)

    So the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed and can only be persuaded, never forced.
     

    IndyDave1776

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    Great post. It was said in our western frontier society that God didn't make men equal, Colonel Colt did. While sounding somewhat flippant, there is much truth to this notion.

    I would also add that it defies my understanding that some people honestly believe that laws which deny them equality with or superiority over an attacker somehow protect them and make them safer. It really is much like arguing that a ban on fire extinguishers will prevent fires.
     
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    Good read. As important as self defense against muggers and guys with baseball bats is, we mustn't forget it was intended that a well armed citizenry would also keep the .gov reasoning and persuading instead of forcing.
     

    IndyDave1776

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    and then there are other prosperous civilizations who have eventually managed without them which raises a question, do we need to defend ourselves from ourselves or criminals?

    Gun Control in Other Countries

    It seems to me that when you consider that the Japanese have never known freedom as we would accept it albeit enjoying a lot of latitude for a statist culture, Australia has had a huge spike in crime since its gun ban, and Britain has doubled down on socialism, I would say that you have a valid point so long as having some green in your jeans is the only consideration. If you want to add in some liberty, not so much.
     

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    It seems to me that when you consider that the Japanese have never known freedom as we would accept it albeit enjoying a lot of latitude for a statist culture, Australia has had a huge spike in crime since its gun ban, and Britain has doubled down on socialism, I would say that you have a valid point so long as having some green in your jeans is the only consideration. If you want to add in some liberty, not so much.

    I'm intrigued by the lack of freedoms Japanese have as "we would accept it". Not sure I follow, can you give some examples?

    Also, what is your source for the Australian spike in crime and is that crime in general or gun related?

    Is there an according to Hoyle connection between the alleged rise of socialism in Britain and gun control or is it coincidental?
     
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    and then there are other prosperous civilizations who have eventually managed without them which raises a question, do we need to defend ourselves from ourselves or criminals?

    Gun Control in Other Countries

    It is laughable when statistics like these are stated "Gun Deaths much lower in regulated countries". There is no mention of "OTHER" murder rates, or violent crime statistics like rape and assaults. Guess it is better if a person is stabbed, beaten, drowned, suffocated, poisoned, raped and choked, burned or done in by many other methods than with a bullet! In many of the countries with limited access to firearms for personal protection, the rape, robbery and assault rates are higher than ours. Some countries have better court systems to eliminate violent offenders from repeating their practice. Some other countries are in fact much more peaceful just due to their cultures and traditions.

    Others have grave punishments for offenses that rate a "slap on the hand" here. Some countries limit personal freedoms to the point very few opportunities are given for criminals. When you take a realistic look at firearm crimes in the USA, the trend is going way down. The liberals include in shooting data such thing as suicides (I'm sure the suicides wouldn't go down if guns were eliminated ~ the persons would just use poison, pills, ropes or other methods), criminals shot by police, etc. Other countries data may be more honest and not include these.

    Data like this is in my opinion like saying swimming pools in USA are far more dangerous than those in Greenland as the drowning death rate per million is way higher in the USA (although some states like Alaska may be lower)!

    The news media recently stated that 80 some percent of the shootings in Indianapolis were proven to be connected to / with dope dealings. Probably 5 to 10% more are actually connected to dope but not verified as such. As we all know , many shootings are also gang member related. Anyone with any intelligence understands most of the persons shooting as well as the persons shot involved with gangs and drugs are already felons - that illegally obtain and possess firearms. These persons do not obey laws so "gun control" has ZERO / NO EFFECT on them.

    I feel anyone that likes other countries methods of regulating firearms should move to that country. I would be the first to contribute a small sum to their one way plane ticket.

    We still have a fairly free country ~ even with Commiebomma's attempt to change that. My firearms are not only for sport or personal protection. They are the last ditch stand in case persons like the above is successful in establishing a tyrannical government.
     

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    It is laughable when statistics like these are stated "Gun Deaths much lower in regulated countries". There is no mention of "OTHER" murder rates, or violent crime statistics like rape and assaults.

    I don't think other tools or forms of violence were the subject of the article, were they? But you could go here and see how they compare. I'm not sure how you would associate a rise or decrease in non-gun related crimes due to guns being hard to own or not.
     

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    I'm intrigued by the lack of freedoms Japanese have as "we would accept it". Not sure I follow, can you give some examples?

    Also, what is your source for the Australian spike in crime and is that crime in general or gun related?

    Is there an according to Hoyle connection between the alleged rise of socialism in Britain and gun control or is it coincidental?

    Why are you intrigued by that? Does it surprise you that perhaps Japanese might not have the same level of personal liberty, civil rights, property rights, or political rights? Or is it the "we would accept" part that intrigues you?
     

    Thor

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    To pick a nit...according to the Cambridge Ancient History Civilizations were started because of beer.

    Humans stopped moving around so they could cultivate grains and make beer...all civilization stems from there. The weapons were needed to protect the beer.

    So, Beer=Civilization Guns=Safe Beer
     
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