Snowden, an American Hero

[gregr]

This infuriates me! Not only does Snowden NOT need to be pardoned, he`s an American hero for letting "we the people" know what our elected employees were doing. Why is there no talk of criminal prosecution for the goons in Washington who wipe their feet on the United States Constitution?


Obama says he can?t pardon Snowden | Ars Technica

 

[Kutnupe14]

So you disagree with his trial and if found guilty execution, I take it?

 

[gregr]

That`s certainly a rhetorical question, eh? As I stated, Snowden is an American HERO. Those in Washington thumbing their noses at the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution, as well as any and ALL who support them, are traitors and deserve a traitors end.

 

[Kutnupe14]

That`s certainly a rhetorical question, eh? As I stated, Snowden is an American HERO. Those in Washington thumbing their noses at the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution, as well as any and ALL who support them, are traitors and deserve a traitors end.

Rhetorical, for sure. Snowden isn't an American hero, in my opinion. That perception could have been different, had he handled the situation in an entirely different way. It way it looks now, he was an agent for a foreign government.

 

[BogWalker]

I think Snowden accidentally did a semi-good thing for a totally bad reason. As Kut said, he was acting under the advice of a foreign government. His leak was an attempt to discredit and destabilize our government. Just happened to be he also informed we the people about mass intelligence gathering in the process.

No pardon, but I don't think it's worth the trouble to bring him back here. Let him stay in his exile. If he tries to reenter the country grab him.

 

[T.Lex]

Ugh. Obama CAN pardon Snowden for acts that have not yet been adjudicated. He's an idiot.

 

[rhino]

Ugh. Obama CAN pardon Snowden for acts that have not yet been adjudicated. He's an idiot.

How dare you impugn the legal acumen of the Dear Leader!

How DARE you.

 

[HoughMade]

Ugh. Obama CAN pardon Snowden for acts that have not yet been adjudicated. He's an idiot.

Dear Leader is counting no one looking up "Ford pardons Nixon" on Wikipedia.

 

[jamil]

This infuriates me! Not only does Snowden NOT need to be pardoned, he`s an American hero for letting "we the people" know what our elected employees were doing. Why is there no talk of criminal prosecution for the goons in Washington who wipe their feet on the United States Constitution?


Obama says he can?t pardon Snowden | Ars Technica

how do you know he's not also a traitor? Whose word do you have that the information did not end up with enemies?

 

[AtTheMurph]

Rhetorical, for sure. Snowden isn't an American hero, in my opinion. That perception could have been different, had he handled the situation in an entirely different way. It way it looks now, he was an agent for a foreign government.

An agent for a foreign government? I take it you also believe the Russians were behind the hacks of the DNC and John Podesta?

 

[Kutnupe14]

An agent for a foreign government? I take it you also believe the Russians were behind the hacks of the DNC and John Podesta?

"The way it looks".....not to be confused with....."the way it is"

Russia/DNC/Podesta, not related to this conversation.

 

[jbombelli]

If he can't pardon Snowden, then using the same logic he can't pardon Hillary either.

Right?

 

[Kutnupe14]

If he can't pardon Snowden, then using the same logic he can't pardon Hillary either.

Right?

Yep

 

[Fargo]

Rhetorical, for sure. Snowden isn't an American hero, in my opinion. That perception could have been different, had he handled the situation in an entirely different way. It way it looks now, he was an agent for a foreign government.

What is the evidence he was a foreign agent? I hear this referred to often but have never heard an explanation why.

 

[1DOWN4UP]

When Tho mas Drak e tried to whistle blow on the N SA for fraud and corruption, and spying on all Ame ricans and not just suspected criminals,he himself was charged with the espionage act.Ruse ll Tic e spilled the beans and got fired and labeled crazy.So why would Snowd en trust the Inte lligen ce Comm unity Whistl eblowers Protecti on Ac t and go thru the " proper channels?"So we learn that they are using communication companies to spy on the internet,phone calls,tied into ECHE LON and not answering to this countries laws.Hum......How nowadays do we define a patriot?

 

[Grelber]

There will be unity of opinion when the information gathering tools we are left with fail and our enemies finally get the high body count event(s) they are working for.
The real shame is that you can only hang him once.

 

[Kutnupe14]

What is the evidence he was a foreign agent? I hear this referred to often but have never heard an explanation why.

It may not have been his intent, an unwitting agent if you will, but I think it's naïve to believe that a guy with that much knowledge concerning American activities, is going to keep mum in Russia.

 

[1DOWN4UP]

I think he spilled the beans before going to Russia.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I think he spilled the beans before going to Russia.

I think in the world of international intelligence, the info Snowden could provide, probably goes a fair bit beyond simply "spilling the beans." Maybe just a tiny bit.

 

[Fargo]

It may not have been his intent, an unwitting agent if you will, but I think it's naïve to believe that a guy with that much knowledge concerning American activities, is going to keep mum in Russia.

Is there not a huge difference there? It is one thing to steal secrets for a foreign government, it is quite another to reveal a presumptively unconstitutional/illegal national surveillance machine.

I don't see why his revelations of the data collection are somehow defined by what happened AFTER he did it.