Can’t ship CATs because they are .mil issue and most likely ITAR controlled? Same with Qwik Clot and other hemostatic agents. Just my guess.
Maybe because those products have a NSM?
Can’t ship CATs because they are .mil issue and most likely ITAR controlled? Same with Qwik Clot and other hemostatic agents. Just my guess.
Medical Training has always bored me to tears that being said you guys spent a lot of tax money on me.
We were trained by senior Medics,DR’s,PA’s we had to run IV’s on each other do the nasal airways on each other ect.
This training was intergrated into all the other training never knew when you might have to do needle decompression on a dummy ect.
The formal courses were 40 to 80 hours I would think that would cost some big$$ in the civilian world?
I guess what am asking is what level of training would be required for just you average guy without being a lawsuit nightmare?
Joniki brought up a good point !
BTW if I have a sucking chest wound any of you have my permission to treat it!
I would think Joe Citizen inserting King airways and doing pleural decompression's could cost someone dearly in a law suit. Hemostatic gauze and powders out date rather quickly (we do not carry them on an ambulance).
Some common sense and a little innovation goes a long way.
It really depends and is largely an untested area of the Goood Samaritan laws. If I, as a trained and certified professional, go beyond my training and licensure, I am wide open for liability. But a civilian who once took a class, or taught themselves, isn't held to the same standard and is more of a grey area that is likely to be tested in court if there is a negative outcome. The only reason I mentioned NVAs is because something like a King is easier to learn amd harder to screw up.
To the person who later in the thread indicated that a needle decomp is better than the collapsed lung, or as risk free as starting an IV: the risks of puncturing the heart and causing pericardial tamponade, or hitting one of the arteries in the outer chest and causing more bleeding into the pleural space is significant. It is very rare that a needle decomp is going to make that critical few minutes difference and the risk of screwing it up is higher. Moreover, recognizing the need for needle decomp is trickier than it seems. Paramedics who are trained extensively in it more often than not do it when it is not required. Hence, why I spoke up.
I'm all for people getting training and saving lives, but folks need to be aware than while some things are pretty simple and effective, other things are not nearly as easy or safe as it seems when watching a youtube video of a trained professional doing them.
Please look for an exit wound first don’t want you to go through all that work for nothing!
Well said.
And practicing starting IVs on your buddies is just good, clean fun. Especially when they forget to apply pressure when they're withdrawing the needle from the catheter part. Seeing your own blood pouring out is cool!! Well, for a short time, anyway.
It really depends and is largely an untested area of the Goood Samaritan laws. If I, as a trained and certified professional, go beyond my training and licensure, I am wide open for liability. But a civilian who once took a class, or taught themselves, isn't held to the same standard and is more of a grey area that is likely to be tested in court if there is a negative outcome. The only reason I mentioned NVAs is because something like a King is easier to learn amd harder to screw up.
To the person who later in the thread indicated that a needle decomp is better than the collapsed lung, or as risk free as starting an IV: the risks of puncturing the heart and causing pericardial tamponade, or hitting one of the arteries in the outer chest and causing more bleeding into the pleural space is significant. It is very rare that a needle decomp is going to make that critical few minutes difference and the risk of screwing it up is higher. Moreover, recognizing the need for needle decomp is trickier than it seems. Paramedics who are trained extensively in it more often than not do it when it is not required. Hence, why I spoke up.
I'm all for people getting training and saving lives, but folks need to be aware than while some things are pretty simple and effective, other things are not nearly as easy or safe as it seems when watching a youtube video of a trained professional doing them.
I was at a restaurant the other day when someone asked if anyone knew CPR. I said that I did, and the rest of the alphabet. Everyone laughed, well except this one guy.
If you live in America in a city where emergency medical services are working properly you will not need to dart someone at the scene, ever.
Even a surgeon who happens to witness someone with a tension pneumothorax at the mall will want to transport the patient to the nearest ER where they can use X-rays to really make sure it's a pneumothorax.
Blindly stabbing someone with a needle when you're 4 to 6 minutes away from the nearest hospital is stupid and dangerous.
Even overseas in the field a corpsman will most likely not perform a decompression unless they can listen to lung sounds.
I'm not sure how many non-EMS folks carry a stethoscope with their needle.
Soldiers carry a decompression needle in their IFAK because there might not be any hospital in the country where they are deployed.
Or the nearest field hospital is hours away.
As a civilian in the US a tension pneummothorax is not as life threatening as if it happened on top of an Afghan mountain.
I tend to disagree. Any sort of change in pressure in the thorax can be seriously life threatening. Hemothorax or pneumo. All that stuff can shift pressure and cut off the airway quite easily. Typically they'll insert a chest tube, not needle decompression though.
People are seriously EDC'ing decompression needles?
I kinda wonder, how anybody survived in Texas in 1880 ?!?