Is that a G22 in your pocket, or are you happy to see me?I don’t buy it. There are hundreds of thousands of P320s in military and civilian hands and nowhere near the number of reported malfunctions we’re seeing from LEOs.
I’ve worked around LEOs for the past decade and they are not the model of firearm safety. My last office was located in a federal LEA field office and I frequently observed unsafe practices. One agent in particular would walk around the building with a G22 hanging out of the front pocket of his jeans.
I believe that the 365 is a somewhat different design than the 320. I've heard no such reports with the 365.I bought a Gen 4 P365 with safety a while back and I've never grown to trust or like this gun? I would never carry it with one in the chamber
Not just 2 Massachusetts towns but, towns right next to each other (I googled it - they butt up to each other like a Carmel/Westfield around here).Just expected. Many lawsuits from cops against Glock when they were shooting themselves with Glocks instead of SIGs.
Note how the lawsuits cluster. In the Massachusetts suit she is just the latest in a string of suits among 2 Massachusetts towns.
There is a version with no manual safety. Not sure about the military part.Yes.
Then trade it for something else. I would literally rather be completely unarmed than to have the false confidence of thinking I can draw a dinky pistol like a P365, fumble around with racking a round into the chamber and successfully deploy it in a volatile situation. Good way to get yourself killed. At least if I was completely unarmed, I wouldn't do something so mind-numbingly stupid as try to engage in a gunfight with an empty gun, and might therefore live through the encounter.I bought a Gen 4 P365 with safety a while back and I've never grown to trust or like this gun? I would never carry it with one in the chamber
I don't carry it. I carry a S&W airweightThen trade it for something else. I would literally rather be completely unarmed than to have the false confidence of thinking I can draw a dinky pistol like a P365, fumble around with racking a round into the chamber and successfully deploy it in a volatile situation. Good way to get yourself killed. At least if I was completely unarmed, I wouldn't do something so mind-numbingly stupid as try to engage in a gunfight with an empty gun, and might therefore live through the encounter.
Dad Isn't Carrying With a Round Chambered, Gets Self and Son Killed on Video - AllOutdoor.com
Yet another video has surfaced illustrating why it’s critical that you learn to carry with a round chambered. In it, a father and son are being held up by multiple robbers. The father is carrying, and when one of the robbers isn’t looking he draws, points, then yanks the gun off center-line...www.alloutdoor.com
I’m wondering how much the lack of “trigger dingus” plays into training, or retraining.If I don't see the video of the pistol going off in the holster, I don't believe the cop period. That being said the P320 is the ONLY striker fired gun that does not have any form of "trigger dingus" and I have had a sneaking suspicion for years that would have totally prevented these news stories.
Training consists of keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire, period. I don't care if it's a Glock or a P320, or even a DA revolver with a 12lb pull. It makes no difference. Plenty of cops have shot themselves with Glocks. Locally, I know of 2 separate NDs by cops using Glocks (and FWIW, neither of those 2 NDs had anything to do with the need to pull the trigger to disassemble, either...it was just plain old poor handling).I’m wondering how much the lack of “trigger dingus” plays into training, or retraining.
I have a few, but haven’t rigorously trained with them for a long time, but I’m sure I’m in the minority, especially when it comes to police forces.
Is there some kind of training that should be done, more specific than “hey look no trigger dingus keep you finger off” to transition an officer or anyone from glockish things to p320 things?
So is it the actual lack of trigger safety or is it, as stated up thread concerning thumb safety, if you’re relying on that your doing it wrong?
Are there fingers inside of trigger guards and we just don’t know it because of trigger dingi?
If “a trigger safety won’t change that one bit” why are they there? Not trying to be argumentative, but someone must think they change something.Training consists of keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire, period. I don't care if it's a Glock or a P320, or even a DA revolver with a 12lb pull. It makes no difference. Plenty of cops have shot themselves with Glocks. Locally, I know of 2 separate NDs by cops using Glocks (and FWIW, neither of those 2 NDs had anything to do with the need to pull the trigger to disassemble, either...it was just plain old poor handling).
Pretty much every local agency has switched to the P320 in the last 5 years, and so far I know of no ND stories with those. Doesn't mean it won't happen...poor handling is poor handling, and a trigger safety won't change that one bit.
The training cops receive in this regard is more than adequate....but like training in any profession, there's always a few that just won't listen.
The trigger dingus performs 2 functions that I can think of. First, it prevents an inertial actuation of the trigger if the gun is dropped, like was happening with the pre-upgrade P320s. If those 320s had had a dingus, it would have prevented those discharges from happening because the dingus would have had to be depressed for the trigger to move to the rear. Sig found a different solution to that problem (a lower-mass trigger), so even the upgraded guns don't have a dingus.If “a trigger safety won’t change that one bit” why are they there? Not trying to be argumentative, but someone must think they change something.
I agree with you actually, in my case, I can not see a trigger safety preventing an nd when reholstering and that’s my biggest concern.
I’ve chosen triggers I like and none of them have trigger safeties so don’t have a lot of experience.
Are they a false sense of security, actually harmful, or do they do some good?
I had forgotten about the inertial aspects, thanks.The trigger dingus performs 2 functions that I can think of. First, it prevents an inertial actuation of the trigger if the gun is dropped, like was happening with the pre-upgrade P320s. If those 320s had had a dingus, it would have prevented those discharges from happening because the dingus would have had to be depressed for the trigger to move to the rear. Sig found a different solution to that problem (a lower-mass trigger), so even the upgraded guns don't have a dingus.
The second function is dubious at best in my mind (and likely has nothing to do with the actual designed reason for the dingus). It can prevent the trigger from being pulled accidentally by an object that protrudes partially into the trigger guard, but not all the way. Dubious, because you're talking maybe 1/8"-1/4" more protrusion, and the dingus is being depressed anyway. If you get a string or jacket pull-tab or something inside your trigger guard when reholstering, the gun is probably going to go bang anyway, dingus or no dingus. It MIGHT provide some protection for a gun in a soft-sided flexible holster like those cheap uncle mike's IWB sleeves, or some soft pocket holsters, where an object outside the holster exerts pressure through the holster into the trigger guard, but IMO that is a situation better solved by using a proper holster and carry techniques than relying on a mechanical dingus.