RareBreed FRT trigger declared a machinegun.

[churchmouse]

In regards to the question, did he get ATF approval? He didn’t, but Tac Con did when they released the 3MR in 2013. 3MR stands for third mode reset.

He included the ATFs letter to Tac Con in his complaint. The triggers do the same thing. They reset themselves. The 3MR trigger has been in the market for almost 8 years.

Seems like 3MR paid the right people.

 

[AmmoManAaron]

Seems like 3MR paid bribed the right people.

FIFY

 

[AmmoManAaron]

 

[ScouT6a]

Here is the complaint he filed against the DOJ, and the ATF. It’s a long read, but it will answer most questions.

Rare Breed Triggers Complaint Against the ATF and DOJ

Since somebody posted the ATF's Cease and Desist Letter, I felt it would be a good act for the community at large to login to PACER myself and get the full story. The following are the contents of Rare Breed's complaint filed against the ATF and Dept of Justice, their supporting documents and...

theinfidel.co

So, what's the chances that one or more of these "experts" was still working for the ATF when they pulled the same stunt on bump fire stocks?

Bump fire stocks were approved by the ATF and re-examined, twice I believe, and found to be compliant but we see what happened to them in the end.

What will be different with this case?

I wish them the best with this but I hope if they succeed in their cause, that the bump stocks get the same reversal. They absolutely do not meet the definition of a machinegun.

 

[WebSnyper]

So, what's the chances that one or more of these "experts" was still working for the ATF when they pulled the same stunt on bump fire stocks?

Bump fire stocks were approved by the ATF and re-examined, twice I believe, and found to be compliant but we see what happened to them in the end.

What will be different with this case?

I wish them the best with this but I hope if they succeed in their cause, that the bump stocks get the same reversal. They absolutely do not meet the definition of a machinegun.

Didn't the whole bumpstock ban get overruled?

Appeals Court Rules That Federal Agencies Can’t Classify Guns with Bump Stocks as ‘Machine’ Guns

Though it is still on the ATF site so maybe not?

Bump Stock Q&As | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

Questions about bump-stock-style devices, the final rule clarifying that bump stocks fall under the definition of "machinegun" under federal law, and how to destroy them or abandon them at local ATF offices. What does the final rule on bump-stock-type devices do? How does the final rule differ...

www.atf.gov

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Didn't the whole bumpstock ban get overruled?

Appeals Court Rules That Federal Agencies Can’t Classify Guns with Bump Stocks as ‘Machine’ Guns

Though it is still on the ATF site so maybe not?

Bump Stock Q&As | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

Questions about bump-stock-style devices, the final rule clarifying that bump stocks fall under the definition of "machinegun" under federal law, and how to destroy them or abandon them at local ATF offices. What does the final rule on bump-stock-type devices do? How does the final rule differ...

www.atf.gov

The 6th circuit granted a petition by the feds to vacate the decision and rehear the case en banc. Not sure when it will be heard/decided.

Sixth Circuit Takes Bump Stock Case En Banc

Today the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit granted the federal government's petition for rehearing en banc in Gun…

reason.com

 

[ljk]

 

[maxwelhse]

I've never bothered to attend a gun show, but the freedom boner from that video may prompt me to find one with a bit of cash in my pocket...

The irony in statement isn't lost on me, but I'll let RB fight the legal case for me.

 

[Angrysauce]

I've never bothered to attend a gun show, but the freedom boner from that video may prompt me to find one with a bit of cash in my pocket...

The irony in statement isn't lost on me, but I'll let RB fight the legal case for me.

Just order one from their site

 

[Angrysauce]

He kinda reminds me of a Mr. Clean strung out on coke, but good message none the less.

 

[maxwelhse]

Just order one from their site

Nooooo... I'm not going to volunteer to put myself in the middle of that mess with "records". Like I said, I'll happily pay them to fight for me.

 

[Angrysauce]

Nooooo... I'm not going to volunteer to put myself in the middle of that mess with "records". Like I said, I'll happily pay them to fight for me.

Ehh beta move. If you want no records and to be a rebel, fire up your drill press, and hide it for the rest of your life.
Or you could buy from them, fund their legal defense, and be a sigma swinging your junk for the world to see.
Just my two cents, but I never understood holding the thoughts "I don't want to be on a list" and "shall not be infringed" simultaneously.

 

[EOD Guy]

Give it some time...coat hangars will make the NFA list.

 

[maxwelhse]

Ehh beta move. If you want no records and to be a rebel, fire up your drill press, and hide it for the rest of your life.
Or you could buy from them, fund their legal defense, and be a sigma swinging your junk for the world to see.
Just my two cents, but I never understood holding the thoughts "I don't want to be on a list" and "shall not be infringed" simultaneously.

You're gonna need a time machine to go pimp slap the guys that started that fire about 90 years ago, but I'm sure as hell not gonna be the one man that is going to rise up and put it out and you can believe me that you don't want me leading that charge. If you're the super alpha that is ready rise up and lead the way, you can start any time now.

I know my place in the machine, and right now it's old fat guy who doesn't like no-knock raids and is capable of spending $400 on a trigger pack to support guys to take the fight to the courts for him.

 

[Tombs]

Ehh beta move. If you want no records and to be a rebel, fire up your drill press, and hide it for the rest of your life.
Or you could buy from them, fund their legal defense, and be a sigma swinging your junk for the world to see.
Just my two cents, but I never understood holding the thoughts "I don't want to be on a list" and "shall not be infringed" simultaneously.

Because option A will likely never be an issue, unless you make it one.
Option B, unless you're worth millions and millions of dollars with a legal team ready to roll, is a death sentence.

Once the feds are at your door, you've lost the fight.
RBT sounds like they've had this planned for a very long time since their address is a law office... lol.

 

[JEBland]

This came out a few hours ago:

 

[88E30M50]

He makes a great case for the legality of the FRT

 

[JEBland]

He makes a great case for the legality of the FRT

The Fuddbuster guy? I've recently subscribed to his channel. So far, I like him.

 

[Angrysauce]

Don't worry everyone, Rarebreed is fighting their legal battle and BDU took the opportunity to seemingly infringe on their patent. There's is cast instead of machined/EDMd. It's $30 cheaper, $80 if you pay their subscription. And they proudly boast "Available for a limited time" at the top of the page.
Seems like someone is trying to capitalize off of RB being busy with the Feds to turn a quick buck.

 

[DadSmith]