Please go on the OFFENSIVE - quit just 'waiting and opposing'

[AJMD429]

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We have 'Sanctuary Cities' all over the nation where officials very vigorously DEFY enforcement of federal immigration laws, and actively thwart the efforts of any Federal Law Enforcement attempting to do so in their jurisdiction. I don't agree with what they are doing, but the tactic IS successful, and while there is no portion of the Bill of Rights or Constitution that recognizes any 'right' of immigrants to bypass the legal process, there clearly IS a portion of the Bill of Rights that recognizes (not 'grants') the fundamental, inalienable, right of citizens to keep and bear arms, with the clear inference that said 'arms' are to be of the type most suitable for 'militia' purposes. 20th Century law added the language that added 'sporting purposes' to the criteria.

So although it should not be necessary to declare any city, county, or state a 'sanctuary' for the Second Amendment, if there are factions at the federal level attempting to subvert the Constitution, I can see no reason a city, county, or state should not push back against such subversion by making it clear (via legislation) that they do indeed recognize the Second Amendment. It would be the same if the federal government were to attempt to ban Baptist Churches, or Korans, or prohibit Jews from using public transportation. Any of those would be unconstitutional, and grounds for a locality to resist such incursion.

At the county level should be easy to start in SOME counties - https://www.courthousenews.com/texas-county-votes-to-label-itself-a-gun-sanctuary/

But even better if you can get pressure to do it at the STATE level - https://thetexan.news/governor-abbott-says-texas-should-be-a-second-amendment-sanctuary/

Here are a couple 'model legislation' to try to persuade YOUR legislators to submit or back.

https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/87R/billtext/pdf/HB00112I.pdf#navpanes=0
https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/87R/billtext/pdf/HB00919I.pdf#navpanes=0

More articles on state legislation:

https://www.wyoleg.gov/Legislation/2010/HB0095
https://www.wyoleg.gov/Legislation/2020/HB0118
https://www.krmsradio.com/second-amendment-preservation-act-filed-again-in-jefferson-city/
https://trib.com/news/state-and-reg...cle_90ab18c4-f92f-5d40-8471-e446db224cd7.html

Many of these bills are only part-way through the legislative process, but at least serve as examples of what can be initiated.

This is important to act on NOW. Many legislatures only have narrow time-windows to initiate bills, so we need to be on this ASAP...!!!

Some resources:

Find and Contact your legislators: https://gunownersaction.org/legislator-lookup/
(...I recommend writing your OWN letters versus any 'canned' ones from GOA or any other organization; it gets more attention, and 'counts' more on the receiving end. Send an email, a fax, and/or paper letter every week or so; if even 10% of gun owners contacted their legislator once a month, they would be getting a hundred thousand letters each at the federal level - THAT would get their attention, and they WOULD respond...)

Factual articles on 'gun control': https://guncite.com

'Guns and Public Health' - have your physician read Section XIII, and then explain to you why (s)he isn't ACTIVELY opposing 'gun control': https://guncite.com/journals/tennmed.html
( any physician who fails to oppose most ‘gun control’ as we see proposed, is clearly NOT upholding their duty to further the Public Health; only through ignorance would a physician naively support such dangerous and counterproductive things as ‘assault-weapon’ bans, gun registration, or even ‘universal background checks’. Unfortunately, to understand why a seemingly-innocent ‘common-sense’ thing like that is actually dangerous, requires a level of objectivity and true motivation most physicians lack; if you print the Kates article and highlight section XIII, and give it to them, you can correct their naive ignorance. The rest depends on whether they are more interested in actually promoting safe streets and a stable society, or merely virtue-signaling to their peers. )

P.S. I would add that GOA's prioritization of saving the filibuster makes some sense - https://www.gunowners.org/na01232021/

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Or, and hear me out on this, we could do something effective instead of feckless measures such as LARPing militias and sanctuary cities. For example, we could ACTUALLY TAKE THE OFFENSIVE and pass Constitutional Carry which is in the INDIANA, not TX or WY, General Assembly, right, this, very, minute, in INDIANA, not Wyoming or Texas. Let's do something real. Let's make an impact.

HB 1369, Permitless Carry in Indiana Introduced – Indiana State Rifle and Pistol Association

isrpa.org

*DISCLAIMER: I serve on the Board of Directors for the Indiana State Rifle & Pistol Association*

 

[JTScribe]

Or, and hear me out on this, we could do something effective instead of feckless measures such as LARPing militias and sanctuary cities. For example, we could ACTUALLY TAKE THE OFFENSIVE and pass Constitutional Carry which is in the INDIANA, not TX or WY, General Assembly, right, this, very, minute, in INDIANA, not Wyoming or Texas. Let's do something real. Let's make an impact.

HB 1369, Permitless Carry in Indiana Introduced – Indiana State Rifle and Pistol Association

isrpa.org

*DISCLAIMER: I serve on the Board of Directors for the Indiana State Rifle & Pistol Association*

I 100% agree with you on Constitutional Carry, but how does that help push back against potential federal bans?

 

[Hornett]

Please help me out on this. I am a died in the wool conservative Christian. I supported Trump wholeheartedly. After this last election with all the fraud and then we saw no court anywhere even willing to hear the evidence. What is it that we can do? It's a serious question. I don't even see why I should vote anymore when there is a 40% chance my vote will be switched to the democratic candidate. Maybe locally, yes, but on a federal level, Nope. Someone tell me how this is not the last Republican president we will ever see.

As to the sanctuary counties for gun rights, I'm all for it. But you have to remember, the liberals (Portland and Tacoma) are protected by Democratic governments that do not care what the law says. No one is being arrested for the violence there. OTOH, if a conservative group were to protest (peacefully and properly) all it takes is for a few antifa to start breaking up stuff and the whole bunch would be arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Somebody talk me off the ledge here (figuratively, not really suicidal ). Show me something to do that will really help at the federal level, and I am in. Here in Bedford, and most of Indiana, we are a conservative bunch and the local governments are generally conservative. At the State level as Kirk has pointed out, we have been making 2A gains every single year for a while. But the worst laws come from the federal level and I don't see a way forward.

 

[AJMD429]

The way forward is to PARTICIPATE politically, which is what 99.9% of gun owners are NOT doing.

It is really easy to complain about how bad things are, and how hopeless it is to try to change anything, but then when things predictably worsen, how do you explain that to your kids....."Gee, son, I was so busy and just didn't think it would do any good to try to preserve the freedom and liberty I grew up with, so I'm sorry you get to live in a socialist police-state with 20% inflation...."

?????

NOT participating is simply NOT an option, in my opinion. I've talked to legislators, and at the state level if they get a thousand letters on a topic, believe me, it does get their attention. At the federal level 50,000 is probably what it takes, but if even one per cent of the 80,000,000 or more gun owners sent a letter, there would be 800,000 letters. We don't even have one per cent active most of the time - UNTIL AFTER an issue has already passed, then we try to 'un-do' it, which is WAY harder.

We need to be PROACTIVE.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I 100% agree with you on Constitutional Carry, but how does that help push back against potential federal bans?

How do sanctuary cities in Texas and Wyoming help push back or dressing up and playing Army?

 

[JTScribe]

How well have sanctuary cities stymied immigration enforcement? I’d assume something similar would happen in Texas given another AWB - refusal by local authorities to cooperate and assist, not holding people in jails, etc.

I absolutely want Constitutional carry as a first step. There are other steps, too.

 

[hamiltonrrwatch]

Please help me out on this. I am a died in the wool conservative Christian. I supported Trump wholeheartedly. After this last election with all the fraud and then we saw no court anywhere even willing to hear the evidence. What is it that we can do? It's a serious question. I don't even see why I should vote anymore when there is a 40% chance my vote will be switched to the democratic candidate. Maybe locally, yes, but on a federal level, Nope. Someone tell me how this is not the last Republican president we will ever see.

As to the sanctuary counties for gun rights, I'm all for it. But you have to remember, the liberals (Portland and Tacoma) are protected by Democratic governments that do not care what the law says. No one is being arrested for the violence there. OTOH, if a conservative group were to protest (peacefully and properly) all it takes is for a few antifa to start breaking up stuff and the whole bunch would be arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Somebody talk me off the ledge here (figuratively, not really suicidal ). Show me something to do that will really help at the federal level, and I am in. Here in Bedford, and most of Indiana, we are a conservative bunch and the local governments are generally conservative. At the State level as Kirk has pointed out, we have been making 2A gains every single year for a while. But the worst laws come from the federal level and I don't see a way forward.

My wife and I have this conversation daily, and unfortunately can't see a way out either.

Just after the election, we started divesting ourselves of big tech and businesses who encourage curtailing our freedoms; whether that be mask-wearing, religion, 1A, or 2A. We have shut down Apple, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Amazon, & Costco. In addition, we've slashed spending with Target, are moving away from AT&T, and franchised entities who aren't locally owned and managed.

And yes, our world has gotten smaller. We're fine with that.

ANY entities who support international or domestic terrorism, de-funding police, or Liberal-leaning causes won't get our cash. You want politicians to take notice? Start hitting their mega-PAC doners in the wallet. Make no mistake, the snowflakes aren't supporting this economy, we are.

 

[SumtnFancy]

How do sanctuary cities in Texas and Wyoming help push back or dressing up and playing Army?

What does being a sanctuary city have to do with your disdain for people who actually test their gear? And why cant 2 things happen at the same time? I support constitutional carry as well, but we need to do more than expand a right we already have. Sure, we might be able to constitutionally carry a 1911, but what about guns over 10 rds? We need to realize we are 1 shooting away from AWB-21, and we know the language is gonna be harsh. Who is gonna stop it? NOBODY. All we can do is say that we as a State will not enforce their laws.

 

[AJMD429]

While we can in-fight all we want, the REAL fight has already begun:

A FEDERAL GUN REGISTRY:

Link > BILL is Here

 

[fullmetaljesus]

So what do you suggest we do. Where do we go from here?

 

[BigRed]

Well, there is always nullification and secession!

 

[SumtnFancy]

States rights is the only answer. Lots of federal overreach will be happening in the upcoming years, taking a stand locally is the only course of action we have. We have to get our legislators to take a stand and protect our rights.

 

[scottyd2506]

Well, there is always nullification and secession!

Oh they will punish you for this. Where would your retirement and SSI income come from?

What about protection? say if Texas succeeded. the USA would pull all it military equipment out. How would Texas defend itself? Mexico for example does have tanks.. Even an platoon of old Shermans would be enough to take on the highest skilled civilians. I'm sure they have armed choppers.

If it was possible, yes, I'd move there, but..

 

[scottyd2506]

States rights is the only answer. Lots of federal overreach will be happening in the upcoming years, taking a stand locally is the only course of action we have. We have to get our legislators to take a stand and protect our rights.

Fed Government is not going to allow this. once local police, deputies or even state would refuse to uphold laws, the Government would cut their pay. Send in fed authorities to do the job. Make no mistake, these people are like Nazi's and will not back down.

 

[BigRed]

Make no mistake, these people are like Nazi's and will not back down.

Yet you want to stay with them to protect your SSI.

 

[Magyars]

Oh they will punish you for this. Where would your retirement and SSI income come from?

What about protection? say if Texas succeeded. the USA would pull all it military equipment out. How would Texas defend itself? Mexico for example does have tanks.. Even an platoon of old Shermans would be enough to take on the highest skilled civilians. I'm sure they have armed choppers.

If it was possible, yes, I'd move there, but..

Seems to me we've seen the Hungarians (1957) VC, Afganies, and I'm sure other take on tanks and did pretty good for themselves.
I'm willing to give up my Pension and SS if it means I can live as a Freeman. I'd go back to work tomorrow.

 

[SumtnFancy]

Fed Government is not going to allow this. once local police, deputies or even state would refuse to uphold laws, the Government would cut their pay. Send in fed authorities to do the job. Make no mistake, these people are like Nazi's and will not back down.

They don't have enough Federal stooges to police every county in every state that declares itself a 2A sanctuary. It isn't a foolproof plan but it's atleast a road block and can buy time til midterms. States have done it with cannabis, immigration, etc. If we are to ever stand a chance at keeping our freedoms from those who wish to take them, starting locally and building enough support state-wide is the best we've got. We can put all our eggs in the "next election" basket, but I'm not holding my breath til then. We know it's coming, it's just a matter of how soon. Only fools will sit around waiting for it instead of preparing to stop it.

 

[SwikLS]

Seems to me we've seen the Hungarians (1957) VC, Afganies, and I'm sure other take on tanks and did pretty good for themselves.
I'm willing to give up my Pension and SS if it means I can live as a Freeman. I'd go back to work tomorrow.

the "Freeman" around here do seem to have it pretty good but not sure if its worth giving up a Pension and SS