Online buyer vs actual transfer

[99zhuggerz99]

Something I have been wondering. can a person buy a firearm online, arrange transfer, then have some one else do the paperwork and take possession?

I will elaborate...
I have the want/need to buy a firearm for some one. I would get online, buy one with my name and my credit card #. I would set up the delivery with my FFL. When my FFL calls and says "Mr. Awesome your order is ready." I then send in the person who the gift is for; they do the paperwork, pay the Transfer, and take possession. Thus they pass the background, and it is in their name.

Can Someone do that? I know that it may vary by the person doing the FFL (gunshop to gunshop). but is it all legal?

 

[Echelon]

Do they live in Indiana? If so, why not just give it to them as a gift once you actually have it?
...there is no such thing as "in their name" btw.

 

[LoriW]

We would not be able to do this. Per corporate the person who pays for the gun comes and picks it up and does the 4473.

 

[Spike_351]

Something I have been wondering. can a person buy a firearm online, arrange transfer, then have some one else do the paperwork and take possession?

I will elaborate...
I have the want/need to buy a firearm for some one. I would get online, buy one with my name and my credit card #. I would set up the delivery with my FFL. When my FFL calls and says "Mr. Awesome your order is ready." I then send in the person who the gift is for; they do the paperwork, pay the Transfer, and take possession. Thus they pass the background, and it is in their name.

Can Someone do that? I know that it may vary by the person doing the FFL (gunshop to gunshop). but is it all legal?

I doubt it it, sounds like it would fall under the definition of "straw purchase"

 

[nakinate]

Do they live in Indiana? If so, why not just give it to them as a gift once you actually have it?
...there is no such thing as "in their name" btw.

This is the best post in here. Read and follow.

 

[99zhuggerz99]

I know there is no "in their name", I also know you can gift a firearm. Yes all involved parties live in Indiana. say I found a gun Online, I want to give to my dad or an employee (as a bonus) yet do not want them to pay for it.. and?/or they live far enough away they I do not make the trip regularly....choosing instead to have an online vendor 'drop ship' it to their FFL for transfer.

I know these people and know that have the LTCH. not to mention they would be doing the FFL transfer (their info and their possession). I am not trying to do anything illegal ( IF I WAS WOULD I POST IT ON AN INTERNET SITE????????) I just want to confirm or deny a thought I had in my head. I have never done on online purchase, nor do I have the money to buy some one a firearm.

 

[kevhed]

I believe whoever pays for the gun must fill out the 4473 and take possession.

 

[LoriW]

I know these people and know that have the LTCH.

YOU know them but the FFL does not and they are the one putting their license at risk every time they transfer a gun. I attended ATF training this week and it was stressed that something like this can cost a dealer their license. The example given was a family (man, woman, teen daughter) came in. The gun was for mom so the dealer ran her info on the 4473. However, when they got to the register to pay, dad pulled out money and paid for the gun. The problem is dad AND the daughter were both felons. The dealer had their license suspended for 2 weeks. Like I said, you know they're good people but the dealer doesn't. So, to avoid any problems, give them the money to buy the gun and let them order it in their name and get the 4473 in their name. Easy peasy

 

[tomaustin]

do they allow conjugal visits in federal prison ???

 

[level0]

Don't make this hard on yourself, if you intend to give it as a gift then...give it as a gift. This seems like a non-issue. All these hoops and twists throw up red flags.

 

[Mgderf]

I believe whoever pays for the gun must fill out the 4473 and take possession.

This is wrong.

I've done what you are proposing on several occasions.
You find and pay for the gun.
You arrange to ship to a convenient FFL for the recipient.
Have the seller send the firearm to the FFL in your friends/dads name.

The law is, the actual recipient of the firearm must be the one to fill out the 4473.
Who pays for it is of no consequence.

 

[ScouT6a]

My question is this: I go to an online auction and find a rifle I want. I make the purchase and go to my LGS and get a copy of his FFL, send it along with a Postal money order to the seller. He ships the rifle to the LGS. How would the original seller ever know who goes to the LGS and does the 4473 and takes possession?

 

[kevhed]

This is wrong.

I've done what you are proposing on several occasions.
You find and pay for the gun.
You arrange to ship to a convenient FFL for the recipient.
Have the seller send the firearm to the FFL in your friends/dads name.

The law is, the actual recipient of the firearm must be the one to fill out the 4473.
Who pays for it is of no consequence.

I respectfully stand corrected.

 

[Mgderf]

How would the original seller ever know who goes to the LGS and does the 4473 and takes possession?

What the original seller "knows or doesn't know" is of no consequence.
He sold a rifle legally. He shipped it legally.
It is now up to the receiving FFL to ensure that the transfer to the "purchaser" is done legally.

The "actual buyer" is determined by who fills out the 4473, NOT who pays for it.

 

[RobbyMaQ]

Perhaps a gift certificate to a gun shop may be more betterer.

 

[LarryC]

I know there is no "in their name", I also know you can gift a firearm. Yes all involved parties live in Indiana. say I found a gun Online, I want to give to my dad or an employee (as a bonus) yet do not want them to pay for it.. and?/or they live far enough away they I do not make the trip regularly....choosing instead to have an online vendor 'drop ship' it to their FFL for transfer.

I know these people and know that have the LTCH. not to mention they would be doing the FFL transfer (their info and their possession). I am not trying to do anything illegal ( IF I WAS WOULD I POST IT ON AN INTERNET SITE????????) I just want to confirm or deny a thought I had in my head. I have never done on online purchase, nor do I have the money to buy some one a firearm.

I am not sure, if I were to do this I would 1) Purchase the firearm, fill out the 4473, take possession, then give them the gun as a gift OR 2) Give them the money and information and let them purchase the firearm, fill out the 4473 and take possession. Probably the best answer to your question is to contact a local FFL and ask them what would be best.

I have "gifted" several firearms in my life to my family members and a couple of good friends. I am quite careful about doing this as I certainly don't want to be accused of a "straw purchase".

 

[VERT]

I have done what the OP is asking.

1) Purchased the gun on gun broker.
2) Called gun shop in GA and paid with credit card.
3) emailed local FFL and GA gun shop.
4) local FFL emailed a copy of their FFL
5) GA gun shop shpped to local FFL
6) my dad went o local shop and picked up the gun, filled out 4473 and paid transfer fee.

No Problems. The actual owner of the gun filled out the 4473.

If it was an instock gun I would just buy a gift certificate and have the shop hold the gun. Think about it, no different then a gun raffle. Organizations pay for the gun and the winner goes to FFL to fill out 4473.