Obama extends olive branch?

[Armed-N-Ready]

Photo-op

This was just a ploy for a photo op to give the false impression he is not anti-gun.

 

[gunowner930]

I realize that it is unlikely to happen and that some of you won't agree with me, but if we give them the votes to close the "gun show loophole" by requiring background checks between private sellers and buyers at gun shows and ONLY gun shows in exchange for the votes to repeal the Hughes Amendment, how many of you would be onboard? After all, private sales without background checks can still take place outside of gun shows. Obama and his cronies get a victory with their base by closing the "gun show loophole" and we get machine guns at real market value.

What do you think?

 

[Bill of Rights]

I realize that it is unlikely to happen and that some of you won't agree with me, but if we give them the votes to close the "gun show loophole" by requiring background checks between private sellers and buyers at gun shows and ONLY gun shows in exchange for the votes to repeal the Hughes Amendment, how many of you would be onboard? After all, private sales without background checks can still take place outside of gun shows. Obama and his cronies get a victory with their base by closing the "gun show loophole" and we get machine guns at real market value.

What do you think?

No. Way. In. Hell.

For one, they'll NEVER give up the Hughes Amendment voluntarily. For the other, you can't close something that doesn't exist to be open. "Closing the 'gun show loophole'" is just the incremental step they want so they can then say, "Well, see? They can still buy and sell their guns away from the gun shows!"

It's all about taking baby steps for them when they must, and giant steps when they can. We've given enough ground. It's time we took it back.

I'm not willing to give them one more nanometer.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[Libertarian01]

To All,

For Mr. LaPierre to refuse to sit down with the single most powerful politician in the United States is an act that I would not describe as wise or productive.

It is often forgotten that you do not negotiate with people you agree with, but rather with those you disagree with!!!

During WWII we kept lines of negotiation open with Germany and Japan, our enemies. This is the purpose of negotiation.

I met with Mr. Helmke after he made his presentation here in Fort Wayne. I disagree with him on almost everything, but not 100%.

One point I think he made well is the guy operating as an FFL01 without getting the license. There are some chaps who appear at gun shows buying and selling for YEARS from "their own private collection." Yeah, Bull .

When we force gun dealers to assume a great deal of cost & liability to be in business then I believe it to be unfair to compete with them without jumping through the same hoops. Whether we should have hoops in the first place is another argument, but as long as we do have them everyone should be treated equally.

We also know that in 99% of the cases where some guy goes into a gun store to buy 110 copies of the same pistol it is not for "my own private collection." Should people be able to legally do this? Of course. But, when we force licensed FFL01 dealers to perform background checks so too should everyone operating as an FFL01.

My point is that there could be some issues that both sides could agree on. We ALL agree that we want to see a reduction in violent crime and we all want to see violent criminals rendered incapable of harming again. Our goals are not different in this regard, only the paths we wish to take and the priorities we have in achieving this goal.

For Mr. LaPierre who represents the most powerful gun rights lobby in the United States to refuse to meet with the Executive Branch of the United States government is wasting an opportunity to find small islands of common ground and at least take care of some details.

It is a pity that many gun owners will see this as a good thing without realizing the potentially wasted opportunity.

Regards,

Doug

 

[randyb]

Obama is a politician. He says what he thinks will get him through the current press conference and maybe to the next election and no further. Ignore what he says. Watch what he does. By their fruits, you will know them.

VERY well said!

 

[Deadly Z Driver]

To All,

For Mr. LaPierre to refuse to sit down with the single most powerful politician in the United States is an act that I would not describe as wise or productive.

It is often forgotten that you do not negotiate with people you agree with, but rather with those you disagree with!!!

During WWII we kept lines of negotiation open with Germany and Japan, our enemies. This is the purpose of negotiation.

I met with Mr. Helmke after he made his presentation here in Fort Wayne. I disagree with him on almost everything, but not 100%.

One point I think he made well is the guy operating as an FFL01 without getting the license. There are some chaps who appear at gun shows buying and selling for YEARS from "their own private collection." Yeah, Bull .

When we force gun dealers to assume a great deal of cost & liability to be in business then I believe it to be unfair to compete with them without jumping through the same hoops. Whether we should have hoops in the first place is another argument, but as long as we do have them everyone should be treated equally.

We also know that in 99% of the cases where some guy goes into a gun store to buy 110 copies of the same pistol it is not for "my own private collection." Should people be able to legally do this? Of course. But, when we force licensed FFL01 dealers to perform background checks so too should everyone operating as an FFL01.

My point is that there could be some issues that both sides could agree on. We ALL agree that we want to see a reduction in violent crime and we all want to see violent criminals rendered incapable of harming again. Our goals are not different in this regard, only the paths we wish to take and the priorities we have in achieving this goal.

For Mr. LaPierre who represents the most powerful gun rights lobby in the United States to refuse to meet with the Executive Branch of the United States government is wasting an opportunity to find small islands of common ground and at least take care of some details.

It is a pity that many gun owners will see this as a good thing without realizing the potentially wasted opportunity.

Regards,

Doug

THIS!!!! big plus one to you Buddie! This is what I have been trying to say but I'm not much of a writer lol

 

[SemperFiUSMC]

I disagree. Obama is a liar. There are innumerable people who he has "invited" for a chat and then set up and lied about the results of the meeting. Catepillar CEO ring a bell? Remember how he was eviscerated by the media after Obama announced that he would hire people back if the stimulus bill passed?

No, the NRA did the right thing. Better to let Obama talk about obstruction and stale politics than to defend against his lies.

To All,

For Mr. LaPierre to refuse to sit down with the single most powerful politician in the United States is an act that I would not describe as wise or productive.

It is often forgotten that you do not negotiate with people you agree with, but rather with those you disagree with!!!

During WWII we kept lines of negotiation open with Germany and Japan, our enemies. This is the purpose of negotiation.

I met with Mr. Helmke after he made his presentation here in Fort Wayne. I disagree with him on almost everything, but not 100%.

One point I think he made well is the guy operating as an FFL01 without getting the license. There are some chaps who appear at gun shows buying and selling for YEARS from "their own private collection." Yeah, Bull .

When we force gun dealers to assume a great deal of cost & liability to be in business then I believe it to be unfair to compete with them without jumping through the same hoops. Whether we should have hoops in the first place is another argument, but as long as we do have them everyone should be treated equally.

We also know that in 99% of the cases where some guy goes into a gun store to buy 110 copies of the same pistol it is not for "my own private collection." Should people be able to legally do this? Of course. But, when we force licensed FFL01 dealers to perform background checks so too should everyone operating as an FFL01.

My point is that there could be some issues that both sides could agree on. We ALL agree that we want to see a reduction in violent crime and we all want to see violent criminals rendered incapable of harming again. Our goals are not different in this regard, only the paths we wish to take and the priorities we have in achieving this goal.

For Mr. LaPierre who represents the most powerful gun rights lobby in the United States to refuse to meet with the Executive Branch of the United States government is wasting an opportunity to find small islands of common ground and at least take care of some details.

It is a pity that many gun owners will see this as a good thing without realizing the potentially wasted opportunity.

Regards,

Doug

 

[Bill of Rights]

Correct, Semper. Sorry, Doug, I can't agree. We who love freedom have NOTHING in common with Obama. We should all have to do the same thing as 01 FFLs do to buy or sell a pistol? You're correct, we should. NOTHING! Here's your money/here's your gun. End of story. When someone misuses that gun, that person exposes himself to the results of righteous self-defense by his intended victim or a bystander who feels so inclined. Doug, you and I don't disagree often, but on this, I must. The Constitution is quite specific, as you well know, specifically in light of the 10A and the 2A. The power to infringe on the RKBA is forbidden to all levels of government.

If we were dealing with someone with scruples, someone with a shred of honesty or integrity or honor, I would agree that we should sit down and talk and work things out. However, the saying that comes to mind for me is, "When you sit down to negotiate something you already have, you've already lost."
Sit down with Barry Hussein? Not a chance.

 

[CarmelHP]

Why would you negotiate with someone who ONLY wants to negotiate what YOU will give up? He's laid nothing on the table as to what HE will give up, only what he wants to take. How's that a productive negotiation? It can only be a losing proposition.

 

[MTC]

This is an attempt to get the NRA to concede something...

The power to infringe on the RKBA is forbidden to all levels of government.

"When you sit down to negotiate something you already have, you've already lost."

... It can only be a losing proposition.

That's not an olive branch he's extending.

Give them nothing.

 

[Reaper]

In the short term Obama's message of greater gun control continues to drive prices up. As a politician, he knows that and I believe he does this to affect the industry.

 

[schafe]

I do not trust the bammer any farther than I can throw him and that is not very far. He bends with the wind and is a politician through and through. He will say what he needs to say or do what he needs to do to gain political points. Just never forget that he is a socialist/communist and has Hilary signing on to a gun control treaty proposed by the U.N. His interests and visions for this country are not the same as most of us native born citizens!.

I see what you did there......+1

 

[ViperJock]

He's only doing what he said he would do. Campaign promise fulfilled. In 1925 there was an Austrian that wrote a book called, Mein Kampf, noone believed he meant it either. Don't buy Dreams of my father or Audacity of Hope, as that will put your money in his pocket, but get them from the library and read them.

 

[Hardscrable]

Negotiate with Obama...you have GOT to be joking ! It has worked out so well to date ... health care meeting with Republicans, debt panel, etc. He would use the failure of reaching an agreement to fuel the anti-gunners, left, & independents against us.

# 1- He is a politician.
# 2 - He is a Chicago politician.
# 3 - He is off the left side of the scale. His history of actions, statements, associations, etc. is as anti-gun as is possible.
# 4 - If his lips are moving, he is lying !

Any so-called compromise would be a words only try to get back a few votes of some in the middle. I am afraid of future attempts at regulation ( Cass Sunstien) or executive orders to somehow bypass the 2nd amendment and Congress. If nothing else, he will push something like his previous support of 500 - 1000 % increases in excise tax on ammo, guns, etc. to keep raising prices until we can't afford to buy.

 

[Muzzleloaderbill]

Check out the news. Obama may use executive order on gun control. Sounds like he wants to talk right. No way. He wants our guns.

 

[Terry4570]

Glenn Beck was showing just what hardscrable is taking about,i was glad to see it.These new laws they want don't deal with the bad guys it's us so called gun nuts and lovers,we already have laws on the books.He was also showing where their is talk of executive order.Obama is anti-gun plane and simple,if given a chance he would out law or regulate are guns from us.

 

[Pocketman]

Sunday, September 7th, 2008. "Meet the Press."

"It's my intention, if elected, to disarm America to the level of acceptance to our Middle East Brethren."
Barry O.

He's only doing what he said he would do. Campaign promise fulfilled. In 1925 there was an Austrian that wrote a book called, Mein Kampf, noone believed he meant it either. Don't buy Dreams of my father or Audacity of Hope, as that will put your money in his pocket, but get them from the library and read them.

I am not a moderator, nor have I recently slept in a Holiday Inn. As a suggestion though, you may want to check your source before passing stuff on. Obama wasn't even on "Meet the Press."

Sept. 7: Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE), Tom Friedman - Meet the Press - msnbc.com

 

[ViperJock]

I am not a moderator, nor have I recently slept in a Holiday Inn. As a suggestion though, you may want to check your source before passing stuff on. Obama wasn't even on "Meet the Press."

Sept. 7: Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE), Tom Friedman - Meet the Press - msnbc.com

I stand corrected. I have removed the post via edit. Apologies. I recieved the info from a source that is usually above board and thus I failed to vet it.

 

[right winger]

If I believed that they really wanted a productive discussion, I would be asking La Pierre to do it... insisting even. I believe this may just be positioning for future anti-gun, anti-NRA rhetoric though.

It is just a head fake

 

[iwearcowboyboots]

It is just a head fake

It's definitely a head fake.

Obama's letter to the Arizona Daily Star listed 3 points that our country needed to take as first steps in preventing Tucson type shootings. The 3 issues he wanted to address all had to do with the scope and speed of NICS checks.

That's all fine and dandy. Both the NRA and the Brady camp applauded when Bush signed a bill that was to accomplish the same goals. But it apparently was ineffective. I highly doubt the NRA would have issues with tweaking the Bush era NICS provisions that they previously supported.

But... I'm 100% sure the NRA don't want to sit down to talk about "gun show loopholes" when even the DoJ's website claims they are a rare source of guns for criminals.

(Copy/pasted from the DoJ website so it should be exempt from forum rules concerning copyright? If not, please remove the quoted text please.)

According to the 1997 Survey of State Prison Inmates, among those possessing a gun, the source of the gun was from -

a flea market or gun show for fewer than 2%
a retail store or pawnshop for about 12%
family, friends, a street buy, or an illegal source for 80%

If the DoJ is advertising that only 2% of inmates claim to have gotten their firearms at gun shows, then in my opinion efforts to supposedly fix the "gun show loophole" are a red herring.