New to suppressors, first can!

[FireBirdDS]

Recently received my new can, and it came with a rubber disk I’m understanding to be the “wipe”. However there is no hole in it, just a cross-shaped cut. What’s the idea? It gets installed as-is and the round punches it’s own hole? Does a proper size hole need to be punched in it?

 

[NyleRN]

Install and shoot

 

[edwea]

Which can, by the way?

 

[FireBirdDS]

Which can, by the way?

Dead Air Wolfman

 

[Aszerigan]

The wipe is designed to be shot through. They generally last 20-30 rounds but improve the “quietness” of the suppressor.

 

[Elcidaviator]

I’ve heard to not shoot hollow points through them. Makes sense to me, but I don’t know for sure.

 

[TJ Kackowski]

The wipe is designed to be shot through. They generally last 20-30 rounds but improve the “quietness” of the suppressor.

20 - 30 rounds ... is that a typo? If not, what is the cost for replacement wipes? This seems like a really low round count if the cost is more than a few pennies per part ... heck, even a few pennies per part will add up quickly in just a couple of range visits.

 

[Aszerigan]

20 - 30 rounds ... is that a typo? If not, what is the cost for replacement wipes? This seems like a really low round count if the cost is more than a few pennies per part ... heck, even a few pennies per part will add up quickly in just a couple of range visits.

Not a typo. You are allowed to make your own wipes though, so that cuts down on cost. You can make a one-for-one replacement when you remove them but not more than that.

Also, it really does make the can quieter for those that need the absolute silence.

 

[MeltonLaw]

Asz - I'm looking to get into the wonderful world of silence, would it be necessary to always use a "wipe," or is it really an piece to use to make it quieter?

 

[Elcidaviator]

Asz - I'm looking to get into the wonderful world of silence, would it be necessary to always use a "wipe," or is it really a piece to use to make it quieter?

I believe Energetic Arms has comparisons tests with their cans with and without wipes. IIRC it was with their EA VOX. I’ll dig around their website and see if I can find it.

 

[Elcidaviator]

Here’s a quote of of EAs website. The second paragraph is pretty interesting regarding “stockpiling silencer parts”.

WIPES:​

The wipe material is 1/8″ reinforced silicone sheet (McMaster-Carr PN 3635K17) that is punched with punch (McMaster-Carr PN 3427A26) out 1-1/8″ dia disks. The use of an end grain wood block or soft plastic anvil is recommended. The nose hex is 1-1/4″ (wrench supplied) and the wipe retainer uses a 9/16″ socket. All threads should have an anti seize applied when reassembling (McMaster-Carr PN 1288K12)

Wipes may be replaced by a dealer or users can repair their silencers; they just can’t manufacture and stockpile silencer parts. Making and replacing wipes 1:1 is acceptable. You cannot make them for other people or have more than one at a time. The old wipe should be destroyed before a new one is made.

Per BATF regulations Energetic Armament does not sell replacement wipes. This guide DOES NOT constitute legal advice and firearms laws change regularly. Please consult your dealer or an attorney for guidance with all laws and regulations.

VOX-S Centerfire Silencer - Energetic Armament

energeticarms.com

 

[Elcidaviator]

This is the article I remember comparing wipes EA VOX to non-wiped

Energetic Armament VOX S (Wiped) 300 BLK Subsonic Suppressor Test — PEW Science

Energetic Armament Wiped VOX S Subsonic Silencer Test with first round pop data. Real sound signature data with the Suppression Rating from PEW Science. Hearing Safe determinations for your use case. How does it do as a 300BLK rifle suppressor? Can it suppress .300? Is it the best 300 AAC Blacko

pewscience.com

 

[TJ Kackowski]

Not a typo. You are allowed to make your own wipes though, so that cuts down on cost. You can make a one-for-one replacement when you remove them but not more than that.

Also, it really does make the can quieter for those that need the absolute silence.

Here’s a quote of of EAs website. The second paragraph is pretty interesting regarding “stockpiling silencer parts”.

WIPES:​

The wipe material is 1/8″ reinforced silicone sheet (McMaster-Carr PN 3635K17) that is punched with punch (McMaster-Carr PN 3427A26) out 1-1/8″ dia disks. The use of an end grain wood block or soft plastic anvil is recommended. The nose hex is 1-1/4″ (wrench supplied) and the wipe retainer uses a 9/16″ socket. All threads should have an anti seize applied when reassembling (McMaster-Carr PN 1288K12)

Wipes may be replaced by a dealer or users can repair their silencers; they just can’t manufacture and stockpile silencer parts. Making and replacing wipes 1:1 is acceptable. You cannot make them for other people or have more than one at a time. The old wipe should be destroyed before a new one is made.

Per BATF regulations Energetic Armament does not sell replacement wipes. This guide DOES NOT constitute legal advice and firearms laws change regularly. Please consult your dealer or an attorney for guidance with all laws and regulations.

VOX-S Centerfire Silencer - Energetic Armament

energeticarms.com

This is just Bizarro world stuff ... a silencer needs a wipe to operate to its best potential, but the owner can't have spare wipes available to replace this wear item. Rather, they need to stop what they're doing, manufacture a new wipe while simultaneously destroying the used wipe.

Who thinks up this lunacy?

Wait a minute ... BATF ... Never mind ... I answered my own question.

Sounds like when I'm ready to jump into the suppressor game, I need to steer clear of cans with wipes.

 

[sloppyjoe]

This is just Bizarro world stuff ... a silencer needs a wipe to operate to its best potential, but the owner can't have spare wipes available to replace this wear item. Rather, they need to stop what they're doing, manufacture a new wipe while simultaneously destroying the used wipe.

Who thinks up this lunacy?

Wait a minute ... BATF ... Never mind ... I answered my own question.

Sounds like when I'm ready to jump into the suppressor game, I need to steer clear of cans with wipes.

You dont have to use wipes. I have a few cans that support wipes but have never bothered to use them.

 

[Elcidaviator]

This is just Bizarro world stuff ... a silencer needs a wipe to operate to its best potential, but the owner can't have spare wipes available to replace this wear item. Rather, they need to stop what they're doing, manufacture a new wipe while simultaneously destroying the used wipe.

Who thinks up this lunacy?

Wait a minute ... BATF ... Never mind ... I answered my own question.

Sounds like when I'm ready to jump into the suppressor game, I need to steer clear of cans with wipes.

It’s such a weird govt landscape we live in. Funny thing is, it’s mostly due to Hollywoods dramatization of how the effective a suppressor really is. You go to Europe and a lot of countries mandate that you have a suppressor to shoot, and they are dirt cheap.

 

[FireBirdDS]

While firing my AR platform suppressed, I'm experiencing my slide failing to lock up open after the last round. A buddy suggested perhaps a heavier buffer spring. Any other suggestions, or might this be my best route (short of an adjustable gas block)?

 

[NyleRN]

While firing my AR platform suppressed, I'm experiencing my slide failing to lock up open after the last round. A buddy suggested perhaps a heavier buffer spring. Any other suggestions, or might this be my best route (short of an adjustable gas block)?

I'm assuming you mean your BCG and not your slide. A heavier buffer will not fix that. Sounds like a gas problem. But usually suppressors will cause more back pressure. Shouldn't have an issue locking back unless it so overgassed the bolt catch isn't snagging it

 

[FireBirdDS]

Yeah my BCG, that's... what I said

 

[Elcidaviator]

While firing my AR platform suppressed, I'm experiencing my slide failing to lock up open after the last round. A buddy suggested perhaps a heavier buffer spring. Any other suggestions, or might this be my best route (short of an adjustable gas block)?

I’d recommend an adjustable gas block on any AR you plan on shooting suppressed.

 

[Aszerigan]

Asz - I'm looking to get into the wonderful world of silence, would it be necessary to always use a "wipe," or is it really an piece to use to make it quieter?

Most suppressors don't have wipes, they're an addition to some cans that are used for real clandestine work. They really are more quiet though.

For range shooting or target practice, they're certainly not needed.