NATO mud? Really?

[GingerKid]

So I was reading through another thread on here where a couple of people mentioned the Sig MPX. I was curious about it so I went to their website, and the first thing that pops up is a youtube video advertising the thing. They show the gun firing after being submerged in water, snow, sand, all of which seems pretty normal. Then they get to something called NATO mud? A quick google search gave me results that either go back to sig's website or to buy some Mud Grappler tires. Does NATO really have nothing better to do than to come up with a specific consistency of mud just to bury firearms in or is this just another marketing gimmick?

 

[1911ly]

So I was reading through another thread on here where a couple of people mentioned the Sig MPX. I was curious about it so I went to their website, and the first thing that pops up is a youtube video advertising the thing. They show the gun firing after being submerged in water, snow, sand, all of which seems pretty normal. Then they get to something called NATO mud? A quick google search gave me results that either go back to sig's website or to buy some Mud Grappler tires. Does NATO really have nothing better to do than to come up with a specific consistency of mud just to bury firearms in or is this just another marketing gimmick?

The military expose their weapons to all kinds of elements. One being mud!

 

[BoxingRef]

I think its' also the suggested, "qualilty of Mudd" that the two young ladies were rolling around in back in the early 80's while I was on spring break.

I'm sure they both have children; and or, grand children now ... grinning!

Be safe all

 

[Arthur Dent]

So I was reading through another thread on here where a couple of people mentioned the Sig MPX. I was curious about it so I went to their website, and the first thing that pops up is a youtube video advertising the thing. They show the gun firing after being submerged in water, snow, sand, all of which seems pretty normal. Then they get to something called NATO mud? A quick google search gave me results that either go back to sig's website or to buy some Mud Grappler tires. Does NATO really have nothing better to do than to come up with a specific consistency of mud just to bury firearms in or is this just another marketing gimmick?

It's a standard mud for testing. That way you don't have one manufacturer using mud the consistency of cement and another using brown water. The manufacturers know what spec they need to design to. Just like your car is designed to handle certain specs of water, mud, salt, etc.

 

[GingerKid]

That makes sense, but then why weren't they testing in NATO sand also? Sand can vary quite a bit in coarseness, but they just grabbed any old sand.

I guess I just figured if it was a widely accepted standard that I would be able to find more information. If you google ballistic gel you get all kinds of information about the proper density and testing procedure. Granted, there are a lot fewer people doing mud tests (for guns anyways) in their backyards so I guess it wouldn't be as widely available. Sometimes I just over-analyze things that are new to me lol

 

[87iroc]

We use a calibrated dust at work for some filter testing. I couldn't believe that we payed lots of money for dirt...but we do...highly refined dirt!

 

[cook5oh]

I'm pretty sure you can only use NATO rounds in a NATO gun when testing NATO mud.

 

[padawan]

Must be related to Harry Mudd aka Harcourt Fenton Mudd.

 

[geronimojoe85]

Golly, this thread reminds me of the late 90s and those delightful flared leg low cut Mudd brand jeans. I spent many a day at Hobart High School studying the shapely curves of the female body, topped with chokers and bare midriffs.


Of course it was also the style for the fat girls to wear Mudd jeans with a baby doll dress to cover their muffin tops. All things being equal, I do have many fond memories of Mudd jeans.

 

[TB1999]

So I was reading through another thread on here where a couple of people mentioned the Sig MPX. I was curious about it so I went to their website, and the first thing that pops up is a youtube video advertising the thing. They show the gun firing after being submerged in water, snow, sand, all of which seems pretty normal. Then they get to something called NATO mud? A quick google search gave me results that either go back to sig's website or to buy some Mud Grappler tires. Does NATO really have nothing better to do than to come up with a specific consistency of mud just to bury firearms in or is this just another marketing gimmick?

Yeah, because the one thing you don't want in scientific research is consistency.

 

[FireBirdDS]

So what qualifies as NATO Crap?

 

[cook5oh]

So what qualifies as NATO Crap?

6 days of nothing but MRE's.

 

[IndyGunworks]

6 days of nothing but MRE's.

then another 6 days of waiting.

 

[Leo]

It's a standard mud for testing. That way you don't have one manufacturer using mud the consistency of cement and another using brown water. The manufacturers know what spec they need to design to. Just like your car is designed to handle certain specs of water, mud, salt, etc.

There is also EPA certified mud for testing turbidity monitoring equipment used in waste water treatment facilities. Whenever you have to certify something for the government, you get all kinds of strange requirements.