What he said.Yeah, not many facts yet, but based on what I've seen I kind of have to guess the FBI was actually in the right on this latest one. I mean, maybe the actually did shoot him in cold blood, but seeing as he had facebook posts literally saying he'd shoot the FBI if they tried to enter his house, what do you expect would happen? Not that there might not have been some hypocrisy in the response to this guy as opposed to folks threatening Donald Trump or other conservative politicians, but I see the issue being their lack of response to those cases, and not an overreaction to this case. Isn't this the very thing they're meant to do to prevent assassinations, mass shootings, and so forth?
It is just as possible that they went there expecting a fight, saw him armed, overreacted and shot him.Yeah, not many facts yet, but based on what I've seen I kind of have to guess the FBI was actually in the right on this latest one. I mean, maybe the actually did shoot him in cold blood, but seeing as he had facebook posts literally saying he'd shoot the FBI if they tried to enter his house, what do you expect would happen? Not that there might not have been some hypocrisy in the response to this guy as opposed to folks threatening Donald Trump or other conservative politicians, but I see the issue being their lack of response to those cases, and not an overreaction to this case.
Go shoot them before they do something bad?Isn't this the very thing they're meant to do to prevent assassinations, mass shootings, and so forth?
So do we get to start handing out dirt naps to crazy people or is that only a FBI thing?What he said.
People who are bats**t crazy and just happen to be politically aligned with the average INGO member can still be bats**t crazy enough to deserve a dirt nap at the hands of the law enforcement. His politics didn't get him killed. His crazy did.
Randy Weaver this guy wasn't.
This was not an assassination attempt or a mass shooting. This was an old guy pissed of saying stupid things on the Internet, likely because that's all he was capable of.Yeah, not many facts yet, but based on what I've seen I kind of have to guess the FBI was actually in the right on this latest one. I mean, maybe the actually did shoot him in cold blood, but seeing as he had facebook posts literally saying he'd shoot the FBI if they tried to enter his house, what do you expect would happen? Not that there might not have been some hypocrisy in the response to this guy as opposed to folks threatening Donald Trump or other conservative politicians, but I see the issue being their lack of response to those cases, and not an overreaction to this case. Isn't this the very thing they're meant to do to prevent assassinations, mass shootings, and so forth?
When they are literally telling the world that they're going to do something bad, and "something bad" means shooting innocent people or assassinating politicians, yes.Go shoot them before they do something bad?
What if it had turned out the other way? What if a conservative politician was shot and killed by some lefty who had threatened multiple times online to do just that? Wouldn't we be all over the FBI for not doing anything about it (and rightly so)?This was not an assassination attempt or a mass shooting. This was an old guy pissed of saying stupid things on the Internet, likely because that's all he was capable of.
Nobody was shot and killed, nobody even tried to shoot at a politician.When they are literally telling the world that they're going to do something bad, and "something bad" means shooting innocent people or assassinating politicians, yes.
What if it had turned out the other way? What if a conservative politician was shot and killed by some lefty who had threatened multiple times online to do just that? Wouldn't we be all over the FBI for not doing anything about it (and rightly so)?
And it doesn't take an athlete to pull the trigger on a gun. He still had the ability to hold a rifle, and get from one place to another, so I really don't get the argument that he wasn't capable of following through on his threats.
The only description I've heard is from the linked article "Eyewitnesses reported that the FBI team approached the victim’s home and attempted entry. Initially, they tried to gain access through the door using a battering ram. Unsuccessful in that attempt, they subsequently utilized a vehicle-mounted ram to enter via the front window." So while it doesn't say whether or not they first tried to knock on the door and see if he would come out peacefully, it does sound like they took some time trying to get into the house, so it doesn't seem likely that he was startled out of bed right as they were entering.So do we get to start handing out dirt naps to crazy people or is that only a FBI thing?
What was the reason to kick the door in at 6am of an old man that doesn't have the capability to carry out any of the threats?
There happens to be a crazy old man that threatens a large portion of the country, they made him president.
They will say he went for a gun. Yeah well you kicked in his door while he was more than likely sleeping, a lot of people will be going for a gun at that point.
Sure he was crazy, they took advantage of that.
Such social media posts typically warrant a visit from the Secret Service, don't they? Aren't they responsible for the security of POTUS?Yeah, not many facts yet, but based on what I've seen I kind of have to guess the FBI was actually in the right on this latest one. I mean, maybe the actually did shoot him in cold blood, but seeing as he had facebook posts literally saying he'd shoot the FBI if they tried to enter his house, what do you expect would happen? Not that there might not have been some hypocrisy in the response to this guy as opposed to folks threatening Donald Trump or other conservative politicians, but I see the issue being their lack of response to those cases, and not an overreaction to this case. Isn't this the very thing they're meant to do to prevent assassinations, mass shootings, and so forth?
That's a lot of speculation.The only description I've heard is from the linked article "Eyewitnesses reported that the FBI team approached the victim’s home and attempted entry. Initially, they tried to gain access through the door using a battering ram. Unsuccessful in that attempt, they subsequently utilized a vehicle-mounted ram to enter via the front window." So while it doesn't say whether or not they first tried to knock on the door and see if he would come out peacefully, it does sound like they took some time trying to get into the house, so it doesn't seem likely that he was startled out of bed right as they were entering.
Again, not all the facts are out, and when the full facts do come out, yes, the FBI could definitely turn out to be partly to blame in this one.
All I'm saying is that if I had to guess right now, given this guy's social media history, is it really too surprising to think that he might have know full well that the FBI were the ones trying to get in his house, and in response decided to lock his door and wait for them with a rifle aimed and ready?
Really? What threat was he to POTUS, or anyone else, likely sleeping, at 6:15AM?What he said.
People who are bats**t crazy and just happen to be politically aligned with the average INGO member can still be bats**t crazy enough to deserve a dirt nap at the hands of the law enforcement. His politics didn't get him killed. His crazy did.
Randy Weaver this guy wasn't.
No. That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.When they are literally telling the world that they're going to do something bad, and "something bad" means shooting innocent people or assassinating politicians, yes.
Turned out what other way? This guy actually being able to carry out any kind of credible threat strains credulity. Regardless, you knock on the guy's door and talk to him - and take him into custody, if need be.What if it had turned out the other way? What if a conservative politician was shot and killed by some lefty who had threatened multiple times online to do just that? Wouldn't we be all over the FBI for not doing anything about it (and rightly so)?
Easy to say, now that any investigation into the credibility of his threats is moot, since he was killed while posing no threat to anyone.And it doesn't take an athlete to pull the trigger on a gun. He still had the ability to hold a rifle, and get from one place to another, so I really don't get the argument that he wasn't capable of following through on his threats.
"What do all men with power want? More power." - The Oracle, Matrix ReloadedI’m want my country back.
That may be acceptable for a crazy person who has already committed a crime. This guy only posted stupid stuff on the Internet.I remember a time when crazy people that didn't want to come out of there house and the police would station a few officers around the house, turn off the utilities and try to convince them to surrender. Those tactics have been replaced with armored battery tanks, explosives and dozen armed men that will shoot the first thing that twitches when they enter.