Michigan resident buying a long gun from individual in Indiana

[Flash-hider]

I frequent gun shows in Indiana. I see a lot of nice long guns from private collections being offered. I've always stayed away from purchasing any due to the fact I'm an out of state resident. Where I need honest clarification is can, I purchase a long gun in a private sale with no background check or FFL getting involved or not.

 

[jy951]

Maybe your question should be can you legally purchase..... I'm fairly certain that answer is no. But I'm not an attorney and that's not legal advice.

 

[actaeon277]

Age Verification - NRA

 

[johntheplinker]

If there is a state line being crossed then a FFL has to be involved. If a longgun is being transferred it can be done in either state. If a handgun it must be done in the buyer's state.

 

[Flash-hider]

If there is a state line being crossed then a FFL has to be involved. If a longgun is being transferred it can be done in either state. If a handgun it must be done in the buyer's state.

This is the honest clarification I was looking for that validated what I thought. You would be surprised how many private individuals at gun shows in Indiana would disagree with you and have told me it would be no problem selling me a long gun, pay the money walk away with the gun.
Thanks to all who have responded.

 

[johntheplinker]

This is the honest clarification I was looking for that validated what I thought. You would be surprised how many private individuals at gun shows in Indiana would disagree with you and have told me it would be no problem selling me a long gun, pay the money walk away with the gun.
Thanks to all who have responded.

That is the legal way, not necessarily the way it should be. Now, what happens between 2 proper individuals in private, to quote the great Sgt. Schultz, "I see nothing, I hear nothing, I know nothing".

 

[Flash-hider]

That is the legal way, not necessarily the way it should be. Now, what happens between 2 proper individuals in private, to quote the great Sgt. Schultz, "I see nothing, I hear nothing, I know nothing".

Yes, I agree it's not the way it should be. I feel if you have a CPL or been through the NFA examination or have a C&R license, or whatever else your examined for that should be sufficient to purchase whatever you want regardless of what border you cross.

 

[eric001]

Yes, I agree it's not the way it should be. I feel if you have a CPL or been through the NFA examination or have a C&R license, or whatever else your examined for that should be sufficient to purchase whatever you want regardless of what border you cross.

How about even simpler?

If you're an American citizen and a proper person... that should be sufficient to purchase whatever you want regardless of what border you cross.

And I'm even a bit iffy about the use of "proper person"--who and what defines a "proper person"? As we all know that definitions can and will be used against us to try to remove our rights.

 

[DadSmith]

That is the legal way, not necessarily the way it should be. Now, what happens between 2 proper individuals in private, to quote the great Sgt. Schultz, "I see nothing, I hear nothing, I know nothing".

 

[Quiet Observer]

How about even simpler?

If you're an American citizen and a proper person... that should be sufficient to purchase whatever you want regardless of what border you cross.

And I'm even a bit iffy about the use of "proper person"--who and what defines a "proper person"? As we all know that definitions can and will be used against us to try to remove our rights.

I agree with your comment about proper person meaning.
How would you verify that the person is a citizen - certified birth certificate, naturalization paper?

 

[dak109]

I was under the impression the laws changed a few years ago to allow long gun sales in adjoining states. Meaning I could go to Michigan, purchase a long gun, and drive home with it. Is this only for an FFL? Or am I completely off track?

 

[eric001]

I agree with your comment about proper person meaning.
How would you verify that the person is a citizen - certified birth certificate, naturalization paper?

Meh. Looks like an American, sounds like an American, acts like an American... Good 'nuff for me. Given that Americans come from pretty much every stock there is, I think that about covers it.

Guess I'm kinda nonrestrictive about the whole thing... Might have something to do with that whole "shall not be infringed" idea or something.

 

[johntheplinker]

I was under the impression the laws changed a few years ago to allow long gun sales in adjoining states. Meaning I could go to Michigan, purchase a long gun, and drive home with it. Is this only for an FFL? Or am I completely off track?

Actually I think you can buy a long gun in any state that allows sales to out of state residents. Has to be from a FFL and face to face. Not sure when it started but I know we could buy from adjoining states for years, then just a few years ago it was opened up to any state. I may very well be mistaken but IIRC that was a state law that allowed/restricted it, then it got changed to really open it up.

 

[WebSnyper]

May an unlicensed person acquire a firearm under the GCA in any state? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

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May an unlicensed person acquire a firearm under the GCA in any state?​

Generally, a person may only acquire a firearm within the person’s own state. Exceptions include the acquisition pursuant to a lawful bequest, or an over-the-counter acquisition of a rifle or shotgun from a licensee where the transaction is allowed by the purchaser’s state of residence and the licensee’s state of business. A person may borrow or rent a firearm in any state for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes.
[18 U.S.C 922(a)(3); 27 CFR 478.29]

 

[DadSmith]

My nephew from Texas is here for Thanksgiving.
He wants to buy a lower receiver at the local gun shop/FFL.
Is it lawful for him to purchase a lower here, and take possession here?

 

[awames76]

My nephew from Texas is here for Thanksgiving.
He wants to buy a lower receiver at the local gun shop/FFL.
Is it lawful for him to purchase a lower here, and take possession home

i believe no. because as a lower it could be made into a pistol or riffle. my 19 year old nephew ran into this, he ordered a lower and could not pick it up at a ffl because it did not have a upper on it. could be made into a pistol.

 

[DadSmith]

i believe no. because as a lower it could be made into a pistol or riffle. my 19 year old nephew ran into this, he ordered a lower and could not pick it up at a ffl because it did not have a upper on it. could be made into a pistol.

If that's the case he won't be getting one.

 

[HHollow]

At gun shows in northern Montana a Canadian will occasionally (attempt to) buy a firearm from an individual. It is not very common that proof of residency is requested or even mentioned.

 

[schmart]

i believe no. because as a lower it could be made into a pistol or riffle. my 19 year old nephew ran into this, he ordered a lower and could not pick it up at a ffl because it did not have a upper on it. could be made into a pistol.

This! I was told the exact same thing by a FFL who also does mail order when I wanted to purchase a receiver made in KS. They could ship it to my FFL here, but that drove the cost out of line.
--Rick