Mentally ill man shot in Adams county

[Rob377]

This guy was mentally ill too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX5kwVc9IOk

 

[Shive.Justin]

personally, take it for what it's worth, if i were in the same situation as the LE i would have done the same thing. you are there to protect public safety and if a person is standing there waving a gun around, and it got pointed at me, i would have no hesitation. the officers have great self control in the fact that only one shot was fired.

 

[Birds Away]

This is a sad and unfortunate situation. The LEOs, to my mind, had no other option. I am not sure how you could expect them to use non-lethal means when they had every reason to believe their lives and the lives of others were in imminent danger.

 

[Dead Duck]

Just don't understand why they had to shoot him with a 223,seems like overkill
especially since he never fired a shot,and there were several officers on the scene with handguns drawn.

Why did the cop use a 223 - because the 308 was in was in his other car.

Threat Stopped...

 

[phylodog]

All the stories about rubber bullets are fake?

I know of no agency which issues rubber bullets to it's officers. In fact, I've never seen rubber bullets (for a handgun or rifle) for sale in any distributor's catalog.

What has already been said is correct. Deadly force is deadly force, it matters little what caliber or weapon was used. I'm sorry you lost someone you know but that doesn't mean you get to expect a different response from the officer's than if they were dealing with someone you didn't know. They were justified. A mentally ill person with a firearm in their hand can be just as dangerous, if not more so, than anyone else.

It sounds to me like they made every effort to convince him to put the weapon down.

 

[ryknoll3]

Those that are mentally infirm arent extended a "pass" when they a danger to the public.

^This. In fact, I think it could be quite reasonably argued that there is more to fear from a mentally retarded person in a standoff like this, because they are going to be less likely to understand logic and reasoning and be talked down from the confrontation.

Good shoot in my opinion.

 

[Chance]

"Known mentally ill?"

Licensed to drive a car, the red mustang in the pictures is his.

Posession of a handgun. Legal?

Seems like if this was "known" someone should have stepped in long before a police officer had to make a decision between taking a bullet and shooting this person.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

In fact, I've never seen rubber bullets (for a handgun or rifle) for sale in any distributor's catalog.

They are around but rare today.

I have some for .30-'06 but I do not think they are catalogued today.

It is my understanding that they were popular during the '60s for riot control especially the rubber buckshot pellets for shotguns.

 

[jwfuhrman]

Living in Decatur as I do, and knowing who the guy is, the cops did right. The guy is a known trouble maker. Has had violent problems in his past. That wasnt the first time in that incident he pointed the gun at them, it was the 3 or 4th time.

Having family on the Decatur Police Dept(Uncle) and the Adams County Sheriff Dept(Dad, who happened to be a contender for Sheriff in 2010), I have heard the full story, and what's in the **** poor excuse of a paper(Decatur Daily Democrat), is not the complete story.

 

[Expat]

They are around but rare today.

I have some for .30-'06 but I do not think they are catalogued today.

It is my understanding that they were popular during the '60s for riot control especially the rubber buckshot pellets for shotguns.

Seems like I remember them talking about issuing them for one of the anarchist riots at the G7 summit or some similar global talk.

 

[scott delaney]

They are around but rare today.

I have some for .30-'06 but I do not think they are catalogued today.

It is my understanding that they were popular during the '60s for riot control especially the rubber buckshot pellets for shotguns.

yes in fact 00 buck in rubber form is still in production as riot control and used in prison yards as less then leathal rounds..these are used for un armed people not someone who is pointing a gun at the police....i personal have some rubber 00 buck in my 870 for home defence....the 1st 2 are rubber followed by steel 00 buck.....i think in the house the rubber will reduce collateral damage to my family...but if someone still posing danger its all over for them

 

[printcraft]

Good shoot. /thread.

yes in fact 00 buck in rubber form is still in production as riot control and used in prison yards as less then leathal rounds..these are used for un armed people not someone who is pointing a gun at the police....i personal have some rubber 00 buck in my 870 for home defence....the 1st 2 are rubber followed by steel 00 buck.....i think in the house the rubber will reduce collateral damage to my family...but if someone still posing danger its all over for them

This will be debated shortly.

 

[jbombelli]

Mantally ill or not... point a gun at me and see what happens next.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Mentally Ill with a gun is more scary to me than normal mind with a gun. They are less predictable and more likely to do something unexpected.

Mental health providers attempt to intervene before this happens, but once you're in it, has to be dealt with. I agree though, we have no idea what his mental status or actual diagnosis was, if any.

Neutralize the threat. As of print time the guy was alive, right? He's lucky. He owes the officer a big deal of gratitude he went COM instead of head.

 

[beeeman]

OK, why is no one asking the most pertinent question here....
WHERE DID THIS GUY, A KNOWN MENTAL PATIENT, GET HIS HANDGUN????

 

[Bang-bang]

I have witnessed a mental person with keyhole saw, walk towards a man pointing a gun at him. (the man broke into a garage) You just never know what might happen, that was very strange. It was just seconds from the man getting a head shot.

 

[DRob]

History

OK, why is no one asking the most pertinent question here....
WHERE DID THIS GUY, A KNOWN MENTAL PATIENT, GET HIS HANDGUN????

August 18, 2004. A known mental patient killed his mother, strolled the neighborhood shooting everything in sight, and shot several officers, killing one, on the southside of Indy. He was killed while exchanging fire with one of the officers he shot. The SKS he used that night and some other guns, I believe, had previously been confiscated by IPD but somebody filed a suit on his behalf and they were returned to him.

The question remains valid, very troubling, and unanswered.

 

[beeeman]

The question remains valid, very troubling, and unanswered.

Yeah, you hate to see nutcases like Helmke use this as ammo for "gun control legislation", but situations like these really don't look good.

 

[Josh Ward]

WOW

The idiotcy of some of the people on this board astounds me....

 

[beeeman]

WOW

The idiotcy of some of the people on this board astounds me....

Care to elaborate? What are you referring to? The original post or the ensuing discussion?