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[DadSmith]

Well, that would make life easier for me because this is meant to be a hunting gun and a bear defense. So that being said to buy one round that does both is ideal since I am getting a red dot don’t have to worry about switching poi

Yeah the old timers used the WFNGC Hard Cast bullets years ago with good success. Now days people want the latest hunting bullets and have forgotten the older ones that worked.

 

[cg21]

Yeah the old timers used the WFNGC Hard Cast bullets years ago with good success. Now days people want the latest hunting bullets and have forgotten the older ones that worked.

Well I never shoot with “questionable” backstops and I am tired of not getting pass throughs makes tracking a bear.

 

[HKUSP]

Springfield XDM Elite compact. My first range session with it was 200 rounds, and I felt that for a couple of days. I did feel confident carrying it after that as it was accurate and ran flawlessly.

Finding 10mm on the shelf if a disappointing exercise, however. I don't reload so if you're in the same boat you'll get good at internet ammo scrounging. I hope the increase in popularity will result in more on the shelves. I find .30 Super Carry everywhere. Let's go manufacturers!

 

[Pepi]

Mine

 

[two70]

I was under the impression the hard cast wasn’t a good choice for hunting. Due to lack of expansion ? I found 220 hard cast

Hardcast bullets do one thing extremely well, penetrate. Most of that penetration is wasted on thin skinned, deer sized game. If you're willing to live with a less than ideal blood trail they will work but why limit your effectiveness when there are modern bullets that penetrate and expand?

 

[cg21]

Hardcast bullets do one thing extremely well, penetrate. Most of that penetration is wasted on thin skinned, deer sized game. If you're willing to live with a less than ideal blood trail they will work but why limit your effectiveness when there are modern bullets that penetrate and expand?

Because I will have a rds and the expanding ammo (for deer) is all 180 grain bear country ammo is all 200-220 grain. I am no expert, until I get ammo in hand all I can do is research. But from my reading poi will be very different for the two different projectiles this all could prove moot once I actually shoot and they are closer than I’m being led to believe.

And my blood trail with modern ammo has been crap also. Because a lot of shots aren’t pass throughs.

 

[two70]

Because I will have a rds and the expanding ammo (for deer) is all 180 grain bear country ammo is all 200-220 grain. I am no expert, until I get ammo in hand all I can do is research. But from my reading poi will be very different for the two different projectiles this all could prove moot once I actually shoot and they are closer than I’m being led to believe.

And my blood trail with modern ammo has been crap also. Because a lot of shots aren’t pass throughs.

There's no reason to shoot 180 grain loads for deer and 200+ grain loads for bear. If you absolutely must use heavy bullets, a 180 grain fmj is plenty for bear and should shoot pretty close to point of impact to a 180 grain hollow point. Better yet, use 150 grain Barnes for both. Not all modern bullets are the same, Barnes bullets set the standard for penetration and expansion.

 

[jamil]

I have currently or have had a G20, Kimber, Springfield TRP 6", Dan Wesson, Colt DE, Sig P220, M&P. The best shooter in the group was the Sig.

Love my Sig P220.

 

[cg21]

There's no reason to shoot 180 grain loads for deer and 200+ grain loads for bear. If you absolutely must use heavy bullets, a 180 grain fmj is plenty for bear and should shoot pretty close to point of impact to a 180 grain hollow point. Better yet, use 150 grain Barnes for both. Not all modern bullets are the same, Barnes bullets set the standard for penetration and expansion.

Are we talking about big bears or the big raccoons close to us? Lol

I am not a reloader who loads Barnes factory ammo?? Any links would be greatly appreciated. Slide is being milled now so no hurry on the ammo.

 

[two70]

Are we talking about big bears or the big raccoons close to us? Lol

I am not a reloader who loads Barnes factory ammo?? Any links would be greatly appreciated. Slide is being milled now so no hurry on the ammo.

In the realm of dangerous game, bears are neither all that big nor particularly tough. They have been stopped/killed by 9mm and .45 acp as well as a least one with a .22 short. It really doesn't take all that much penetration to make it through a bear's skull.

Barnes themselves loads ammo but while it is somewhat reasonably priced, it is also pretty anemic. Buffalo Bore also loads them and they are anything but anemic. Also, anything but cheap. For cheaper, more conventional alternatives check out the Sig V Crown 180 or grn, the Underwood Nosler 180 grn, or the Speer Gold Dot 200 grn. It you really want to maximize penetration most of these companies offer a fmj as well in the same weights. IMO, that's not really necessary since all of these bullets penetrate around 20" in ballistic gel and expand to .65-.75".

 

[cg21]

In the realm of dangerous game, bears are neither all that big nor particularly tough. They have been stopped/killed by 9mm and .45 acp as well as a least one with a .22 short. It really doesn't take all that much penetration to make it through a bear's skull.

Barnes themselves loads ammo but while it is somewhat reasonably priced, it is also pretty anemic. Buffalo Bore also loads them and they are anything but anemic. Also, anything but cheap. For cheaper, more conventional alternatives check out the Sig V Crown 180 or grn, the Underwood Nosler 180 grn, or the Speer Gold Dot 200 grn. It you really want to maximize penetration most of these companies offer a fmj as well in the same weights. IMO, that's not really necessary since all of these bullets penetrate around 20" in ballistic gel and expand to .65-.75".

Thank you. I say bear for out west big bears. But moose bison wild
Boar etc are all of concern. This is not going to be plinking ammo.

 

[HKUSP]

Have you ruled out any of the Underwood Extreme penetrators?

 

[cg21]

Have you ruled out any of the Underwood Extreme penetrators?

I haven’t ruled out anything looking for something that will work well on white tails as well as dangerous game protection

 

[DadSmith]

Well I never shoot with “questionable” backstops and I am tired of not getting pass throughs makes tracking a bear.

The 200gr WFNGC Hard Cast bullets will definitely give you two holes which leak, and Good blood trail in deer sized game.

10MM 200gr Hard Cast FP | 10mm Ammo for Bear | 10mm Grizzly Ammo

Caliber: 10MM Bullet Wt: 200gr Hard Cast FP Velocity: 1250 fps Rounds: 20 M.E.: 694 ft. lbs. Recommended for Bear Defense and Hunting

grizzlycartridge.com

WFNGC bullets



FP bullets


As you can see they are very different. The WFNGC style does a lot more cutting and damage. My understanding is they literally cut a hole through whatever they hit.

 

[cg21]

In the realm of dangerous game, bears are neither all that big nor particularly tough. They have been stopped/killed by 9mm and .45 acp as well as a least one with a .22 short. It really doesn't take all that much penetration to make it through a bear's skull.

Barnes themselves loads ammo but while it is somewhat reasonably priced, it is also pretty anemic. Buffalo Bore also loads them and they are anything but anemic. Also, anything but cheap. For cheaper, more conventional alternatives check out the Sig V Crown 180 or grn, the Underwood Nosler 180 grn, or the Speer Gold Dot 200 grn. It you really want to maximize penetration most of these companies offer a fmj as well in the same weights. IMO, that's not really necessary since all of these bullets penetrate around 20" in ballistic gel and expand to .65-.75".

That buffalo bore says low recoil low flash for self defense then refers to other loads they produced for hunting

 

[two70]

That buffalo bore says low recoil low flash for self defense then refers to other loads they produced for hunting

By BB standards a 155 grain bullet at 1350 FPS is probably low recoil!

 

[two70]

Have you ruled out any of the Underwood Extreme penetrators?

A good option for bear defense but they could potentially run afoul of the prohibition against using FMJ bullets for deer hunting. I'd get an interpretation from DNR before hunting with them.

 

[KG1]

The only 10mm I own is a Bond Arms Derringer. Had absolutely no good reason to buy one but that's never stopped me before. The good thing is that the barrels are interchangeable, so I'm not just limited to 10mm.

 

[HKUSP]

A good option for bear defense but they could potentially run afoul of the prohibition against using FMJ bullets for deer hunting. I'd get an interpretation from DNR before hunting with them.

That's a very good point. Like I have tried to tell people, you can't have it all. Everything with guns is a compromise one way or the other.

 

[DocIndy]

Here is some AllenM custom 2011 in 10mm to keep this thread moving…