Is there a time limit max on background checks (Indiana)?

[Dirtebiker]

Lol they suck.

they also make you sign a form that you will store it properly and then they walk you to the door.

Who? Dicks?
I'd like to see this ridiculous form.

 

[Dirtebiker]

Screw rural king, support your local gun shop. As for the nics process, we are not told why you are delayed. We simply are told proceed, further review, delayed, or denied. They have 3 days to let you know what to do with a delay, if they do not contact the dealer with in 3 days, it is up to the dealer. That being said, if the dealer gives it to you after three days and then they call with a denial, expect a visit from the ATF to reclaim the firearm.

Yeah right. Have you ever heard of that happening? I haven't.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Who? Dicks?
I'd like to see this ridiculous form.

Yes. Dicks. Just feelgood busywork.

Yeah right. Have you ever heard of that happening? I haven't.

Im sure the LEOs here could shed some insight on that. I too have heard the stories, but dont know how valid they are. But it doesnt seem unreasonable.

 

[juans]

It may had been a computer glitch, a change of shift at the background check. If you have a common name it won't help. I bought a handgun at parabellum and I had a delay. They called me few dsys later and I was able to pick the Ruger SR 1911. I try to only buy at local places

juan

 

[juans]

I meant to say I like to buy at local, small shops and not big retail places

 

[JettaKnight]

Oops... I called it a 'concealed carry' but you are absolutely correct... it's a 'license to carry'.

I understand that it has no bearing on the NICS background check - but at the same time, they had to do an NICS background check on me to approve my license to carry, didn't they? It would just seem to me that armed with my SSN and ALL of my other demographic info that this should be a very simple and relatively quick process - NOT 30+ days. The delay is exactly what you mentioned... 'delay w/o denial'.

Just saw your edit in... and it is - it was a purchase at Rural King. It's just frustrating waiting, when (even though they don't know) I know that there's no reason for it. Further, it's costing me a few bucks - there were two mfr rebates on this gun, and one of those is now past the date to obtain.

For your LTCH the ISP does the checking and approval, they may consult with the NICS (e.g. FBI) but I believe they are completely separate. There are states that having a license/permit will get you a pass on the NICS check, but IN isn't one of them.

Also, your misdemeanor (same as my gun owning wife ) should not be the reason for the delay. The NICS is pretty much a black box and the best we can do is guess at why good people get delays and denials. A LOT of INGO'ers with LTCH get hung up with F4473 checks. And a lot of us try and avoid them by FTF deals and having FFL03's (get guns mailed directly to your door).

 

[Pull Trigger Goes Bang]

As to the walking to the door part, all big box stores do that.

My local Gander Mountain stopped doing that several years ago. The new Cabela's in my area doesn't do that either.

 

[possum_128]

Yeah right. Have you ever heard of that happening? I haven't.

I have.

 

[possum_128]

My local Gander Mountain stopped doing that several years ago. The new Cabela's in my area doesn't do that either.

They used to, glad they don't now, but hey when you pay more for the gun you don't need an escort. I know it dumb that we and others do it but is it really that big of a deal? Hell they even walk me out and I work there but it's no big deal to me.

 

[injb]

Yeah right. Have you ever heard of that happening? I haven't.

I have:

If the denial comes after the three-day period, the dealer is contacted, according to the agency, to see if the gun was transferred.

If it was, then ATF agents must retrieve it.

“The retrieval will be routed to the ATF criminal enforcement group that handles the geographical area where the firearm was obtained,” said Gerod King, a spokesman for the ATF’s regional office in Charlotte. “Subsequently, the supervisor of that group will assign the retrieval to a special agent. The special agent will contact the prohibited person and retrieve the firearm. The United States Attorney’s Office in that district makes the decision to prosecute or not prosecute the prohibited purchaser.”

 

[bongoboy]

The only way he paid before approval at Rural King is he ordered the gun online at rkguns.com and had it shipped to his local store. And there is no charge for so called "re-stocking". ... You do the paperwork when you go to pick up the gun the same as you would if you bought one from anywhere and had it shipped to a ffl. And yes, we ( Rural King) will not transfer a firearm without a proceed.

I appreciate your insight. And you are exactly right... purchased at rkguns.com, shipped to the local store (nice, because there's no transfer fee for the paperwork). That's GREAT to know that there isn't a restocking fee!

... And he knew this when ordering and buying the gun online. ...

Perhaps it was written there, but no... I did NOT know that. Like I said, tho - great to know that there isn't!

I do intend to wait this out - as I mentioned, there's no reason that this won't go thru, and the RK price on this gun was terrific. Even so, once I get that misdemeanor expunged, I'll try purchasing from RK one more time. If it's delayed like this again, that will be the last firearm purchase that I make there. I realize that it's not RK's fault - but if they're CHOOSING not to go ahead with the sale even when the feds say they can (in the event of delay w/o denial, like this), that IS on them. While I understand (and to a point, wholly agree on err'ing to the side of caution), I'll just go elsewhere.

It may had been a computer glitch, a change of shift at the background check. If you have a common name it won't help. ...

I hope so. They didn't use the computer to submit; they called it in over the phone. Additionally, I DO have a common last name. Nonetheless, I did provide my SSN, so that really should be non-issue. I'm going back to the store tomorrow afternoon to fill out another 4473...

 

[shootersix]

"the brady law does not prohibit the transfer of the firearm after 3 business days" that's what they(the nics phone people) say when you are delayed, so anytime more than that is up to the ffl holder, in our case, we will transfer after 3 days, while gander/dicks/academy are up to corporate policy set by legal departments at the "home office", we had a guy come in to ore shop asking why he was delayed so long, during the conversation he revealed that he was delayed at rural king, and had been for 2 months, when I asked him if he'd refilled his 4473 he replied no, at that point I told him his paperwork was only valid for 30 days, and the he couldn't get a gun from them,(due to their no resolution, no transfer policy) he asked my why they(rk) didn't tell him that? I guessed that the employee didn't know, I told him that if I were him, I'd get a refund, and buy from an lgs that knows the law, and isn't ruled by corporate overlords!an hour later, he showd back up at the store I work at, picked out the same gun, paid a little more that he would have a rk, when I ran his 4473, he got delayed, and 3 days later, we transferred it to him with "no resolution provided" checked on his 4473, and he left happy!

 

[Cameramonkey]

I appreciate your insight. And you are exactly right... purchased at rkguns.com, shipped to the local store (nice, because there's no transfer fee for the paperwork). That's GREAT to know that there isn't a restocking fee!



Perhaps it was written there, but no... I did NOT know that. Like I said, tho - great to know that there isn't!

I do intend to wait this out - as I mentioned, there's no reason that this won't go thru, and the RK price on this gun was terrific. Even so, once I get that misdemeanor expunged, I'll try purchasing from RK one more time. If it's delayed like this again, that will be the last firearm purchase that I make there. I realize that it's not RK's fault - but if they're CHOOSING not to go ahead with the sale even when the feds say they can (in the event of delay w/o denial, like this), that IS on them. While I understand (and to a point, wholly agree on err'ing to the side of caution), I'll just go elsewhere.



I hope so. They didn't use the computer to submit; they called it in over the phone. Additionally, I DO have a common last name. Nonetheless, I did provide my SSN, so that really should be non-issue. I'm going back to the store tomorrow afternoon to fill out another 4473...

Arent you adorable? You dont deal with .gov very often do you? Their incompetence coupled with big box stores that choose to be overly cautious means this CAN fail to go through. NICS can keep issuing delays, and RK can continue to choose to not deliver the product. I'm with Shootersix; get your refund and go to a LGS that will take care of you.

 

[bongoboy]

Ha! I've been called a lot of things before... but 'adorable' isn't one that I've heard lately! (I spit a little coffee on my keyboard here when I read that. )

You're probably right. Nonetheless, I've stayed on top of it with them. The fellow that I spoke to yesterday told me that he was the only one there that knew how to submit via computer (vs. calling it in) and that he'd seen that be the holdup before. Gonna fill out that 4473 again, and let him submit electronically. Mfr rebate is still valid for a month. If I don't have this before then, I will get a refund and head for the LGS...

 

[BADWOLF]

Yeah right. Have you ever heard of that happening? I haven't.

I have, happened to a friend of mine the ATF came a knock'in they did make the shop refund all his money though.

And yes he completed the 7743 completely & honestly but was delayed picked up the gun on the 4th day 1 week to the day an ATF agent called and came out the next day to retrieve the firearm and return it to the store where the agent called back and said he could go get his refund.

 

[Citizen711]

It would just seem to me that armed with my SSN and ALL of my other demographic info that this should be a very simple and relatively quick process - NOT 30+ days.

I feel for ya. The first 4473 I ever filled out, I omitted my SSN, not wanting to give them any more identifying information than absolutely necessary, and it luckily went through. I've done the same on every purchase since, mostly for the same reasons, but also because I'm terrified of changing a single thing from what has worked in the past.

Anything the government pokes it's bureaucratic nose into just becomes a nightmare for average Joe.

 

[shootersix]

Ha! I've been called a lot of things before... but 'adorable' isn't one that I've heard lately! (I spit a little coffee on my keyboard here when I read that. )

You're probably right. Nonetheless, I've stayed on top of it with them. The fellow that I spoke to yesterday told me that he was the only one there that knew how to submit via computer (vs. calling it in) and that he'd seen that be the holdup before. Gonna fill out that 4473 again, and let him submit electronically. Mfr rebate is still valid for a month. If I don't have this before then, I will get a refund and head for the LGS...

I hate to break this to you, but in my experience, once delayed, always delayed!

 

[bongoboy]

Following up... the 'proceed' finally came thru yesterday!

I had stayed on top of the process anyway... but when the 30 day mark (4473 expiration) came, I went back to the store the next day and filled out another. This time, the fellow submitted it electronically, versus calling it in. Regardless, 'delayed' AGAIN. Frustrating as hell. I asked the fellow if there was anything else that I could do, and he provided the number to call ATF. I followed the prompts thru, regarding 'questions about a denial or delay' and eventually got thru to a person. I told him who I was, and explained the circumstance - only to have him say "we can't answer any questions over the phone." (then why in THE hell do you have a menu system that got me to you with questions about my delay??!) ANYway, he did provide the URL to file an appeal on NICS denial or delay. I went home and did that, and detailed out the circumstance, and also (tho not requested) provided my Indiana LTCH number and issue date, etc. There was also a box to check indicating that I wanted to receive the details regarding 'denial' (or 'delay' in my case), and that info would be provided within five business days.

I filled out the appeal on Thurs 5/26, and the store received a 'proceed' decision on Thurs 6/2. I have not received any details (or another other communication at all, for that matter) from FBI - but I was able to pick up my gun yesterday. I'm a happy guy right now.