Indiana State Museum carry. Yes/No?

[Vic_Mackey]

Gotta date with the Mrs today at the museum. Is carry okay?

 

[eldirector]

It is against their policy.

Ever since the State Historical Sites (including the Museum) split from the DNR, they have had their own set of policies.

Here is a fairly recent INGO thread on the topic, if it helps:
https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo.../227137-indiana_historic_sites_carry_ban.html

 

[Vic_Mackey]

It is against their policy.

Ever since the State Historical Sites (including the Museum) split from the DNR, they have had their own set of policies.

Here is a fairly recent INGO thread on the topic, if it helps:
https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo.../227137-indiana_historic_sites_carry_ban.html

Thanks!

 

[Vic_Mackey]

From what i gathered from that thread, it is legal, but not really? I'm confuzzled, and this really rustles my jimmies.

 

[eldirector]

I don't know the full extent you could be punished, other than removal from the property and potential trespass.

Here is a link to the policy referenced in the other INGO thread:
http://www.in.gov/legislative/iac/T00250/A00080.PDF?

Doesn't mention State Historic properties, though. Also doesn't mention penalties.

 

[AndersonIN]

Found this to be an interesting use of words.............

Sec. 1. No person in possession of a deadly weapon, destructive device, weapon of mass destruction, or any other device
commonly used in furtherance of terrorism, or is readily capable of causing serious bodily injury (as defined by IC 35-41-1-25 [IC
35-41-1-25 was repealed by P.L.114-2012, SECTION 129, effective July 1, 2012.]) as determined by an authorized law enforcement officer shall be permitted into or permitted to remain in the Indiana government center campus. (Indiana Department of Administration; 25 IAC 8-3-1; filed Feb 20, 2007, 3:16 p.m.: 20070321-IR-025060417FRA)

Things that make ya go Hmmmmmm

 

[eldirector]

I've also done a bit more research, and a few things stick out to me:

IC 4-37-2-2
Corporation a public body corporate and politic
Sec. 2. (a) The corporation is:
(1) a public body corporate and politic; and
(2) an instrumentality of the state.
(b) The corporation is separate from the state. However, the exercise by the corporation of its powers is an essential governmental function.

part (1) established the Museum as both a corporation AND a political entity.

part (2) seems to say it is part of the State government, however;

section (b) is very clear that this is NOT part of the state government, but is a government function.

So, not part of the state, but clearly a political corporate body.

Well, then, let's look that up:

IC 23-6-3
Chapter 3. Indiana Historical Society

IC 23-6-3-1
Body politic and corporate; powers
Sec. 1. The Indiana historical society is a body politic and corporate that may:
(1) have perpetual succession;
(2) hold, purchase, receive, enjoy and transfer any property, real and personal;
(3) have and use a common seal; and
(4) sue and be sued, plead and be impleaded, defend and be defended in all courts of judicature whatever.

Yep. Corporation and Political Entity, for sure.

But, does the preemption IC apply?

IC 35-47-11.1-2
Political subdivision regulation of firearms, ammunition, and firearm accessories prohibited

Let's look:

"IC 36-1-2-13
"Political subdivision"
Sec. 13. "Political subdivision" means municipal corporation or special taxing district.

and...

IC 36-1-2-10
"Municipal corporation"
Sec. 10. "Municipal corporation" means unit, school corporation, library district, local housing authority, fire protection district, public transportation corporation, local building authority, local hospital authority or corporation, local airport authority, special service district, or other separate local governmental entity that may sue and be sued. The term does not include special taxing district.

Ah-ha! NOW we are on to something. It appears that the Museum is indeed a municipal corporation, separate from the State, and bound by the preemption statute.

Anyone want to check my logic an weigh in?

 

[daddymikey1975]

Ah-ha! NOW we are on to something. It appears that the Museum is indeed a municipal corporation, separate from the State, and bound by the preemption statute.

Anyone want to check my logic an weigh in?

I don't know how you do this, but it's amazing that you can and are able to, and that you DO.. I'm not even following this topic, but I like your logic (are you a lawyer ? LOL)

 

[AndersonIN]

I don't know how you do this, but it's amazing that you can and are able to, and that you DO.. I'm not even following this topic, but I like your logic (are you a lawyer ? LOL)

He's not a lawyer but he plays one on the web because he sleeps in the back room of a Holiday Inn Express.

 

[eldirector]

I don't know how you do this, but it's amazing that you can and are able to, and that you DO.. I'm not even following this topic, but I like your logic (are you a lawyer ? LOL)

No, not a lawyer. Not even close! Just way too logical (a gift or a fault, depending on the situation), with a knack for digging up info on about anything I care about. Also lucky enough to have a job that has bursts of activity followed by enough downtime to do stuff like this.

Speaking of which, I should probably knock out a few things by end of day!

 

[jeremy]

Speaking of which, I should probably knock out a few things by end of day!

Meh...

Why start now...

 

[eldirector]

Safe side just dont

Don't what? Carry? Or confirm that they even have the authority to restrict it?

To be on the "safe" side, I would either not go or conceal well. That is much safer than disarming for no good reason other than "they said so".

Sorry, folks that overstep their authority tend to burn my biscuits!

 

[jeremy]

OC and see if you can get some of your money back from the State...

 

[eldirector]

OC and see if you can get some of your money back from the State...

Sorry, I'm not really an activist.

 

[jeremy]

Sorry, I'm not really an activist.

I'll Bail you out...

 

[AndersonIN]

I'll Bail you out...

I'll donate $10 if you post a pic of the mug shot!!!

 

[jeremy]

I'll donate $10 if you post a pic of the mug shot!!!

$20 and you might have me interested in it...

 

[Archer46176]

If they dont know you have it they cant ask you to leave because of it. I have carried there before I just dont go running through the halls screaming "I have a firearm betcha cant catch me!"... lol

 

[Mackey]

I'd carry concealed (and I have in the Children's Museum in Indy ---- oh the humanity). To hell with their rules. Prancing about with the family in Indy can be dangerous, especially depending where you park. The bad guys know you're vulnerable when you're going in there, "following the rules" and when you're weighed down with the family with you, even more so.

 

[jeremy]

If they dont know you have it they cant ask you to leave because of it. I have carried there before I just dont go running through the halls screaming "I have a firearm betcha cant catch me!"... lol

Might just be me, but that sounds kinda like a fun thing to do...