Indiana Leftist Fascists Arrested

[mike8170]

Some of these guys are from my area, but I only recognize one of the names, and I have never heard of the organization. I could have put this in the 2nd Amendment, since the attack occurred in Illinois, where chances are there are no legally carrying citizens that could have warded off the attack.

Here is the link: News For Indiana

Is it just me, or is the occupy movement branching out into more of a violence/insurgency type of campaign utilizing other radical organizations?

 

[buckstopshere]

Yes, they're just following the plan Soro's has openly talked about with how to bring down an economy.

The violence will continue to ratchet up and probably hit its peak in September or October right before the election. We'll prolly be at war with Iran by then too.

 

[Kagnew]

"Leftist fascists"? I do believe that might be a oxymoron.

 

[mrjarrell]

"Leftist fascists"? I do believe that might be a oxymoron.

Not an oxymoron, but a bit of redundancy. Fascism arose from the left, not the right. Mussolini was a leader of the Italian socialist party and fought as a socialist for years before tweaking the philosophy a bit and giving the world Italian fascism. Even national socialism came from the left of the political spectrum. Look at the similarities between them and FDR's administration. Lots of common ground.

 

[John Galt]

One.
More.
Reason
To.
Carry.

 

[rockhopper46038]

Actually, it's every bit as likely to be a redundancy as an oxymoron. Fascism has its historic roots at least as deeply embedded in the far left as it does the far right, and certainly the most fertile ground for modern day fascism is liberal academia and their captive audiences, who wish to consolidate and further centralize the power of the State.

 

[greyhound47]

One.
More.
Reason
To.
Carry.

Word.

 

[longbow]

Why do you think they did this in IL, You can't carry!

 

[GIJEW]

Not an oxymoron, but a bit of redundancy. Fascism arose from the left, not the right. Mussolini was a leader of the Italian socialist party and fought as a socialist for years before tweaking the philosophy a bit and giving the world Italian fascism. Even national socialism came from the left of the political spectrum. Look at the similarities between them and FDR's administration. Lots of common ground.

Regardless of the word's origin, history is full of dictators who fit the description: lenin,stalin, pol-pot,mao, cecesceau (romania), mugabe...

 

[mrjarrell]

Regardless of the word's origin, history is full of dictators who fit the description: lenin,stalin, pol-pot,mao, cecesceau (romania), mugabe...

All products of the left. And, in the ones you named, all communists, not fascists.

 

[EvilBlackGun]

You mean ...

... appositive; redundant, probably."

"Leftist fascists"? I do believe that might be a oxymoron.

 

[flagtag]

Why do you think they did this in IL, You can't carry!

HEY! We ARE allowed to protect ourselves - with rat-tail combs, nail files, keys, and we are also allowed to vomit to protect ourselves!! (Per Illinois State Police site) We are allowed to "carry" the heavy-duty self protection "tools". So there!

 

[goinggreyfast]

You've been scooped Mike.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/break_room/216130-leftists_from_martinsville.html

 

[mike8170]

You've been scooped Mike.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/break_room/216130-leftists_from_martinsville.html

No politics in the break room, so I am good . I read the story and all I could think of what a bunch of dumba**es. Someone carrying could have saved the taxpayers a fortune.

Next issue is how much more of this are we going to see?

 

[John Galt]

Socialism/Marxism/Fascism/Communism/Progressive Liberalism are all the same thing. It's simply BigGovernment and the only thing seperating them is the level of force and perversion of the laws used to accomplish their goal - control of the people. To be sucked into a Left/Right discussion is diversion/deflection.

 

[gunowner930]

"Leftist fascists"? I do believe that might be a oxymoron.

It's not an oxymoron at all. The whole left wing right wing crap started during the times of the French Revolution where the "revolutionaries" sat on the left and those who wished to preserve the monarchy sat on the right. THAT IS IT... The way that is applied to modern politics is up to interpretation as far as what is left wing and what is right wing. However, as those terms are currently used in the modern American political spectrum and what we associate as the "right" in the United States, fascism is not right wing at all. It is characterized by the merger of corporate and state power and is typically associated with a powerful central government which taxes heavily to fund its usually enormous expenditures, and the economy is tightly controlled or regulated, which is certainly not a free market economy which is associated with the American Right. See Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy.

Furthermore, when looking at this from a sole economic perspective, fascists have much more in common with modern Democrats than they do with modern Republicans (I'm not saying Democrats are evil and Republicans are good).

The only way to accurately identfiy left and right in the U.S. today is by the degree of which each seeks to manage the economy. Civil liberties issues are not left or right wing, many leftists hate the Patriot Act, just like many on the right, being anti-war is not a left or right wing issue either.

This myth that Communism and Fascism are polar opposites is total horse****, however it has been taught repeatedly and has been regarded as "truth" for a long time now. Both of these two disgusting ideologies have much more in common with one another than they do with modern Libertarianism here in the United States.

Eff you public schools for continuing this BS myth.

 

[jamil]

Socialism/Marxism/Fascism/Communism/Progressive Liberalism are all the same thing. It's simply BigGovernment and the only thing seperating them is the level of force and perversion of the laws used to accomplish their goal - control of the people. To be sucked into a Left/Right discussion is diversion/deflection.

I think this idea assumes that politics are one-dimensional. It's not just right and left where all political views fall somwhere along that line. Political ideals and systems are multidimensional. You can be a left wing libertarian or a right wing faciast, or visa versa. It's unfortunate and inaccurate that the dictionary on my iPhone defines facism as right wing. Facism is a wing unto itself.

ETA We like to describe our political selves in easily pigionholed us/them terms. But we're much more complicated than that.

 

[goinggreyfast]

These guys who did this are idiots and from the sound of things, their stupidity will hurt. I don't agree with extremism on any level. I most certainly don't agree with the group they were attempting to attack, but that doesn't mean I agree with the method either. Like gangs, they eventually kill each other off, problem solved. But the issue is the poor folk who get caught in the crossfire.

 

[Kagnew]

Not an oxymoron, but a bit of redundancy. Fascism arose from the left, not the right. Mussolini was a leader of the Italian socialist party and fought as a socialist for years before tweaking the philosophy a bit and giving the world Italian fascism. Even national socialism came from the left of the political spectrum. Look at the similarities between them and FDR's administration. Lots of common ground.

Actually, Il Duce's punch line for Fascism was "a third way" - neither communism nor capitalism. Naziism, though similar in most regards, was not true Fascism.

Be that as it may, Fascism/Naziism/Spanish falangism and Leninist-style communism (which was not true commune-ism, at all) were all just different flavors of totalitarianism. As one of my instructors used to say, viewing communism as the far left and Fascism as the far right on a bar is incorrect. The bar should actually be an almost-complete circle with the left and right ends almost meeting.

 

[jeremy]

So which INGO members did we loose?!