How is this not treason?

[KG1]

Here's a thought for the Biden administration for dealing with illegal immigration.

Instead of sending out a message that encourages illegals to overwhelm the system through a lack of border enforcement measures howbout coming up with a border security plan that works and stop ignoring immigration law which incentivizes illegal migration and start enforcing the damn existing laws passed by Congress.

Also stop all this sneaky covert relocation agenda that you are trying to hide from public scrutiny to distribute illegals throughout the interior. Stop the catch and release bull****

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Trespassing or breach of security.

Neither applies. They aren't trespassing. Do you think they just landed the plane without the airport knowing they were coming? No air traffic control was present? Etc. There is no breach of security.

 

[Onebad06vtx]

Here's a thought for the Biden administration for dealing with illegal immigration.

Instead of sending out a message that encourages illegals to overwhelm the system through a lack of border enforcement measures howbout coming up with a border security plan that works and stop ignoring immigration law which incentivizes illegal migration and start enforcing the damn existing laws passed by Congress.

Also stop all this sneaky covert relocation agenda that you are trying to hide from public scrutiny to distribute illegals throughout the interior. Stop the catch and release bull****

But why would they do this?
It dont fit there agenda!

 

[KG1]

But why would they do this?
It dont fit there agenda!

That's exactly why. Agenda supersedes immigration law and border enforcement measures.

 

[2in1evtime]

On one note i guess a lot of us are getting a taste of how the native americans felt when the settlers and army invaded where they lived huh!?

on another note i worked with a individual in the past that said he was a citizen and this was for several years then one day he was called to our HR, never came back, few days later i was informed that a person in california had retired and while trying to claim social security was accused of still working in indiana! so it is ok for illegals to come here steal and use private information and be welcome i say no!!!!!

 

[BugI02]

Do you think they just landed the plane without the airport knowing they were coming?

Yes. The hours of operation for the control tower there are 0600-2300

By arriving at 0140, they only would interact with ATC at the enroute and local center level until established on the approach. If the approach was successful, they would cancel IFR on the ground via a remote frequency but there would be no clearance for the approach from the tower nor any ground control

There would be a fairly substantial landing fee for a transport category aircraft. It doesn't seem like they were particularly worried about playing by that rule, either. I can also definitely say that vehicles operating on the AOA of an airport with commercial aircraft must be escorted, usually by police, while operating in the AOA. FBOs have to control access to their ramp area and positively ID people either as flight crew of an aircraft on that ramp or have flight crew vouch for passengers when they go to board an a/c. That is to prevent someone from leaving an FBOs lobby, walking to the adjoining airline operations area and boarding a flight and hijacking it

Everybody involved knows they're doing something shady, and I'll bet the subcontractor is really charging government out the *** to fly those flights. That aircraft could easily be impounded for a myriad of reasons

I wonder if they lied on their flight plan. They're supposed to list the number of passengers and crew on board in case of a big moment. Not disclosing the nature of the mission could get the pilots in trouble. This could turn out to be an absolute can of worms for a lot of somebodies. Pass the popcorn

 

[gregr]

On one note i guess a lot of us are getting a taste of how the native americans felt when the settlers and army invaded where they lived huh!?

on another note i worked with a individual in the past that said he was a citizen and this was for several years then one day he was called to our HR, never came back, few days later i was informed that a person in california had retired and while trying to claim social security was accused of still working in indiana! so it is ok for illegals to come here steal and use private information and be welcome i say no!!!!!

I`m sympathetic to the Native American situation, but it`s just not apples to apple there...

 

[oze]

On one note i guess a lot of us are getting a taste of how the native americans felt when the settlers and army invaded where they lived huh!?

For this analogy to work, the leadership of every single tribe would have to had orchestrated, aided and abetted the "invasion".

 

[bwframe]

 

[maxipum]

Yes. The hours of operation for the control tower there are 0600-2300

By arriving at 0140, they only would interact with ATC at the enroute and local center level until established on the approach. If the approach was successful, they would cancel IFR on the ground via a remote frequency but there would be no clearance for the approach from the tower nor any ground control

There would be a fairly substantial landing fee for a transport category aircraft. It doesn't seem like they were particularly worried about playing by that rule, either. I can also definitely say that vehicles operating on the AOA of an airport with commercial aircraft must be escorted, usually by police, while operating in the AOA. FBOs have to control access to their ramp area and positively ID people either as flight crew of an aircraft on that ramp or have flight crew vouch for passengers when they go to board an a/c. That is to prevent someone from leaving an FBOs lobby, walking to the adjoining airline operations area and boarding a flight and hijacking it

Everybody involved knows they're doing something shady, and I'll bet the subcontractor is really charging government out the *** to fly those flights. That aircraft could easily be impounded for a myriad of reasons

I wonder if they lied on their flight plan. They're supposed to list the number of passengers and crew on board in case of a big moment. Not disclosing the nature of the mission could get the pilots in trouble. This could turn out to be an absolute can of worms for a lot of somebodies. Pass the popcorn

God I hope so.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Yes. The hours of operation for the control tower there are 0600-2300

By arriving at 0140, they only would interact with ATC at the enroute and local center level until established on the approach. If the approach was successful, they would cancel IFR on the ground via a remote frequency but there would be no clearance for the approach from the tower nor any ground control

There would be a fairly substantial landing fee for a transport category aircraft. It doesn't seem like they were particularly worried about playing by that rule, either. I can also definitely say that vehicles operating on the AOA of an airport with commercial aircraft must be escorted, usually by police, while operating in the AOA. FBOs have to control access to their ramp area and positively ID people either as flight crew of an aircraft on that ramp or have flight crew vouch for passengers when they go to board an a/c. That is to prevent someone from leaving an FBOs lobby, walking to the adjoining airline operations area and boarding a flight and hijacking it

Everybody involved knows they're doing something shady, and I'll bet the subcontractor is really charging government out the *** to fly those flights. That aircraft could easily be impounded for a myriad of reasons

I wonder if they lied on their flight plan. They're supposed to list the number of passengers and crew on board in case of a big moment. Not disclosing the nature of the mission could get the pilots in trouble. This could turn out to be an absolute can of worms for a lot of somebodies. Pass the popcorn

Being shady and being illegal, and being illegal at the local/state level are all different things as I and others have laid out. I get you want a certain outcome, but you're looking to the wrong people to get there. FAA rules are not enforceable by local authorities. Immigration laws are not enforceable by local authorities. Trespass/etc. do not apply.

 

[tackdriver]

I remember crossing through East Germany (via checkpoint Charlie) when I was 13 or so. I've slept many a night 'next to the fence' along the Korean DMZ at 20-21. Those were secured borders. Anyone trying to cross, from either side, illegally was not simply given a ticket, with a number to call and voluntarily check in for a court date. Cut-n-paste for Russia, China, and a slew of other countries around the world.

We had a system. Some thought it too porous, others too restrictive. Nobody really liked it, or thought it was perfect, but it was a workable middle ground. By ignoring the system, the law, and going this bat-s***-crazy over the top in one direction, the natural cycle is for things to swing strongly in the opposite direction next. What's the opposite of the current process?

I just deleted the examples that came to mind. However, state legislatures have a pretty wide spectrum of things they could legalize, or decriminalize. Given the mood in some border states, and the "Oh yeah, well I'll show you what we can do about it" attitude, this could get really ugly really quick.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Anyone trying to cross, from either side, illegally was not simply given a ticket, with a number to call and voluntarily check in for a court date.

You mean they didn't let them use their arrest warrants as valid ID to board commercial flights to go wherever they want? Man, they really were strict!

 

[Leadeye]

Back when I was flying there was no issue with landing at an airport with a closed tower. Big planes can fly VFR just like little ones, but if you are going to operate above 18K you will be in the positive control airspace and so must be on an instrument flight plan. More important would be knowing runway and ramp weight limitation before driving something big in there.

Staying outside of Positive Control Airspace they would have to keep speed low as well.

 

[BugI02]

Being shady and being illegal, and being illegal at the local/state level are all different things as I and others have laid out. I get you want a certain outcome, but you're looking to the wrong people to get there. FAA rules are not enforceable by local authorities. Immigration laws are not enforceable by local authorities. Trespass/etc. do not apply.

I will agree that it is uncertain if anyone will have the will to pursue it, but you don't seem to realize how many laws are being broken with these flights

If I wanted to stop them, I would go after the flight crew to have their tickets pulled. If I succeeded it would be ever so much harder to get someone else to fly similar missions. I would also impound the aircraft. The courts may not back your play in the end but that airplane wouldn't be making any money for months

Since they were ferrying in illegals and then bussing them across state lines, I would make an example of the bus company also. You don't have to try to tell the Feds what to do in order to stop something at the local level.

Then after you impound a bus or two, start running background checks on the passengers and publish the results - really raise a stink with all the dirty details about who is being dropped in those Jersey communities and it will stop. Even the MSM won't be able to bury that story

 

[Tombs]

I will agree that it is uncertain if anyone will have the will to pursue it, but you don't seem to realize how many laws are being broken with these flights

If I wanted to stop them, I would go after the flight crew to have their tickets pulled. If I succeeded it would be ever so much harder to get someone else to fly similar missions. I would also impound the aircraft. The courts may not back your play in the end but that airplane wouldn't be making any money for months

Since they were ferrying in illegals and then bussing them across state lines, I would make an example of the bus company also. You don't have to try to tell the Feds what to do in order to stop something at the local level.

Then after you impound a bus or two, start running background checks on the passengers and publish the results - really raise a stink with all the dirty details about who is being dropped in those Jersey communities and it will stop. Even the MSM won't be able to bury that story

I think what they're saying is that they lack jurisdiction to pursue anything against these individuals.
It doesn't matter if they are breaking various laws, those laws don't fall under the authority of local LEO.

I still scratch my head that there's nothing that could be done.

 

[phylodog]

I think what they're saying is that they lack jurisdiction to pursue anything against these individuals.
It doesn't matter if they are breaking various laws, those laws don't fall under the authority of local LEO.

I still scratch my head that there's nothing that could be done.

Short of sharing the video I have to agree with the other LEO's that there isn't much a local LEO could hope to do.

 

[bwframe]

Short of sharing the video I have to agree with the other LEO's that there isn't much a local LEO could hope to do.

Can't they call their local FBI/Homeland Security/Governor/National Guard? Can't they call local news stations?

 

[Denny347]

Trespassing or breach of security. If he is local police, there are almost certainly airport police that are specifically authorized to enforce airport security and if he is inside the perimeter and authorized to patrol he works with them and can contact them. I don't know if the town or the county controls the airport but it will be one of the two. Also, commercial air travel originates there so the security standards are much higher. Explain what appeared to be going on, receive the authorization to make detainments and let the whole thing get sorted at the appropriate level

Weren't you the one defending the ten NYPD officers responding to a restaurant trespassing complaint, explaining how they didn't have the authority to adjudicate the issue and ignore the complaint? How is this any different, other than the officer himself would be the complainant. The presence of some 'passengers' in leg monitors ups the ante even more as the rules for prisoner transfer from state to state usually require it be done on specially secure flights staffed by US marshalls

The whole thing stinks and is devoid of any shred of legality, which is why it is conducted secretly in the wee hours of the morning

It is just a continuation of immigrant smuggling pipelines on this side of the border run by a different cartel

You are going to have to look up the specific language for trespass, I don't think this fits. Breach of security is a concept not a statute. Some airports don't have their own police, it is a district for city/county police/sheriff. I have no idea what federal laws they are allowed to enforce. Most of those are likely administrative and not criminal.
This is a VERY different situation. Does the officer have authority to speak for BPD to determine if they belong there? US Marshalls use commercial flights to transport prisoners all the time. You could end up losing your seat to them as they show up last minute and bump passengers out of their seat.
You might be right, but this video is almost meaningless without further information.

 

[phylodog]

Can't they call their local FBI/Homeland Security/Governor/National Guard? Can't they call local news stations?

Sure, they could call just about anybody. The question is, why would they? I wouldn't, not at this point in the game. I wouldn't call anyone you mentioned because I wouldn't expect anything positive to come from a phone call to any of those people/organizations. The people who are allowing this crap are the same ones with the power to sweep it under the rug.

I have no faith whatsoever that anything is going to get better until it all falls apart. Just like addicts don't typically seek help or even acknowledge there to be a problem until they hit rock bottom. As long as Starbucks remains open and reality television can numb their brains to reality then nothing is going to get any better.

Sucks but that's the way it is, at least for now.