How Did We Get Here? Squatters Have More Rights Than Owners…

[Creedmoor]

How so? If the thief has a BOS that would have similar need to be looked at in a civil court to verify authenticity.

Its a criminal offense, I call in my car has been stolen and LE finds it.
Thief shows LE a Bill of Sale, Policeman Laughs.
Car is titled and registered to me, not the thief.

Thief doesn't have a signed title to go along with the Bill of Sale.
Thief goes to jail.

 

[Ingomike]

I don't think you can be prosecuted for breaking & entering property that you own right?

You're also within your rights to have a vehicle towed from any property that you own, even if there are lawful tenants present.

No. If the tenant has a lease they have rights that the owner must follow rental regulations.

 

[Ingomike]

Its a criminal offense, I call in my car has been stolen and LE finds it.
Thief shows LE a Bill of Sale, Policeman Laughs.
Car is titled and registered to me, not the thief.

Thief doesn't have a signed title to go along with the Bill of Sale.
Thief goes to jail.

I hope it would work that way but I suspect it would not. Thief shows BOS paying cash, says you promised to send title after you pay off bank. LEO says not their problem solve it in court…

 

[Creedmoor]

I hope it would work that way but I suspect it would not. Thief shows BOS paying cash, says you promised to send title after you pay off bank. LEO says not their problem solve it in court…

I can't help you understand it Mike, Its theft or theft by deception and nothing more.

 

[firecadet613]

I can't help you understand it Mike, Its theft or theft by deception and nothing more.

How's that different from a fake lease?

 

[Ingomike]

I can't help you understand it Mike, Its theft or theft by deception and nothing more.

How is it different that what is happening with the houses? Unauthorized access with fraudulent papers. Why will LEO figure out the auto by the title but not the house?

 

[Creedmoor]

How's that different from a fake lease?

For Christs Sake. Again, by the Laws in most States, its a Civil Matter.

 

[Creedmoor]

How is it different that what is happening with the houses? Unauthorized access with fraudulent papers. Why will LEO figure out the auto by the title but not the house?

Mike,
I dont know, maybe by the Registration and the tags on the car, and who's name is on the autos Title with a BMV check.

The laws Mike

 

[Ingomike]

Chicago woman starts eviction process against stranger who moved into vacant home, refuses to leave

"I'm not going to stop until she's out. It's just not right," said Chatham homeowner Danielle Cruz.

abc7chicago.com

 

[Ingomike]

Agreed. I am trying to figure out just how long is the time frame between breaking and entering/trespassing to squatters rights? And how we got to the point we are…

I am still looking for discussion of where the line is between breaking and entering/trespassing to squatters rights?

 

[cg21]

Going through my first eviction right now….. going on 4 months now of no rent…. Seems like the end is near though.

 

[printcraft]

 

[Creedmoor]

Instigator.

 

[Knight Rider]

Mike,
I dont know, maybe by the Registration and the tags on the car, and who's name is on the autos Title with a BMV check.

The laws Mike

Cause reasons.

The “laws” may not align, but I stand by the logic of my analogy. If I catch you in my house or my car uninvited the results are likely to be the same, and they won’t be civil.

 

[manifest destiny]

I am still looking for discussion of where the line is between breaking and entering/trespassing to squatters rights?

That's a good question. When exactly does a burglar become a squatter?? I have no idea but I cannot believe there isn't a quick way to resolve the issue. Ownership is readily verifiable. Validity of the supposed lease is readily determined. Calling it a 'civil issue' and walking away seems a bit lazy on the part of the authorities.

 

[Super Bee]

I felt threatened officer! He charged me!

Thats exactly what I was thinking too. Come into my house uninvited, I will feel threatened.

 

[Cameramonkey]

That's a good question. When exactly does a burglar become a squatter?? I have no idea but I cannot believe there isn't a quick way to resolve the issue. Ownership is readily verifiable. Validity of the supposed lease is readily determined. Calling it a 'civil issue' and walking away seems a bit lazy on the part of the authorities.

The only plausible possibility this is avoiding is I rent you my house for a year because I got a transfer. I lose my job a month after you move in.
I need my house back so I call the cops and say "I never signed that. He is lying." . Meanwhile you are now out on your ear with no place to stay, I stole your deposit, etc.

(or something like that)

 

[Michigan Slim]

I expect squatters at the cabin every time I go.

 

[armalitesheepdog]

I believe its generally a civil matter. Not much LE can do.

Breaking and entering is not a crime?
Trespassing mabey

 

[Butch627]

I have heard of this happening in homes in other states but not in Indiana. Are there any examples of this actually happening in Indiana in a residence? Maybe Indiana has laws preventing it?