Gun selling question

[68_F100]

OK so a guy finds a gun I have for sale on Armslist. He lives in SC. He has a friend who lives in Indiana. He sends the friend the money to buy the gun. So I would be selling it to a person who lives in Indiana. But knowing it's for someone who lives in SC. Is this legal?

 

[ArmedProgrammer]

I sure wouldn't do it. If you KNOW that it's a purchase for someone else, that's the definition of a straw purchase. And that's what is being discussed. Not worth the chance of a roommate named Bubba for a few years.

If he hadn't said anything, and the buddy bought the gun from you. You would never know and not be complicit in an illegal act. But now that they said it to you? No way Jose....

 

[SaintsNSinners]

no way jose

 

[SEIndSAM]

I'm with AP, run, run away fast.

 

[mcolford]

Dont do it. Sounds sketchy!

 

[eldirector]

Several BATFE stings running against online purchases recently. Don't get caught up in one. Tell the guy in SC to provide an FFL in his home state for you to ship to, or walk away.

 

[LEaSH]

Federalis are active on all of the gun trading sites.

 

[68_F100]

So what if his buddy mets me at my LGS and I transfer hin the gun via 4473?

 

[LEaSH]

Then the buddy is knowingly going to answer the 4473 falsely. And since you know it, you'd be in some jeopardy of getting hassled, too.

 

[Indy_Guy_77]

So what if his buddy mets me at my LGS and I transfer hin the gun via 4473?

Then the buddy is knowingly going to answer the 4473 falsely. And since you know it, you'd be in some jeopardy of getting hassled, too.

It's still a straw sale because you know that the gun is ultimately meant for another person.

Don't do this, OP.

-J-

 

[Hillbillyblood]

Run Away.....

 

[deanald2pt0]

So what if his buddy mets me at my LGS and I transfer hin the gun via 4473?

If you really want/need to sell the gun to him, you could suggest this. My guess is that once an FFL is mentioned he looses interest.

I would not do a FTF with someone local knowing it was going to someone else across state lines. I'm not going to be an accessory to someone elses crime.

 

[whackmaster66]

DON'T do it!!!! Not worth all the headaches......

 

[68_F100]

I already called it off. I did find this
"Keep in mind that a straw purchase is a purchase in which the actual purchaser uses someone else—a.k.a. the “straw person”—to purchase the firearm and complete the paperwork. Generally, the straw purchaser is used because the actual purchaser is not eligible to conduct a transaction because he or she is a felon or other prohibited person. However, a straw purchase occurs even when the actual purchaser is not a prohibited person. The crime committed is knowingly making a false statement on the Form 4473 indicating that the straw purchaser is the actual purchaser"
Source: http://www.atf.gov/firearms/ffrrg/trans ... ltfour.htm

But it's not even close to being worth the risk. I don't wan to play with the ATF.

 

[JettaKnight]

DON'T do it!!!! Not worth all the headaches......

Or jail time.

The only way to do this legally is to send the firearm to a SC FFL01 and have the buyer fill out a form 4473 for a dealer in SC.

It doesn't matter how many sticks you shove in to prop it up, it's still a straw man.

 

[CBR1000rr]

I've had something similar to this happen to me 3 times.

1. Guy lived in Alabama but had family here. Wanted to buy my shotgun and tried being friendly with me. Communication stopped when an FFL was mentioned.

2. Guy lived in Il and had an In DL. I simply stopped all communication with him.

3. Guy lived in NC and wanted to purchase a gun. Wanted me to ship it to his FFL. As soon as I mentioned that I would contact my local FFL to ensure we were following the letter of the law, he ceased to communicate with me.

It's just not worth it. No amount of money is worth the headache that is associated with these crimes.

 

[KG1]

Good call OP. Even if this was a legit offer to buy it does'nt matter. According to the BATF it is still classified as a straw purchase and you had knowledge of it beforehand. You can sleep well knowing you did the right thing.

 

[68_F100]

Well I offered to cover half the shipping down to him and nothing but crickets. Glad I backed out.

 

[DanVoils]

The Straw Man laws are pretty strange when it comes to Indiana. Here we can get a LTCH at age 18. However we cannot purchase a handgun until 21. If a person walks into a LGS and buys a handgun and gives it to them as a present that is legal. But if the purchaser says anything to the LGS sales person about it being a present for their 18-20 y/o then a felony is committed. When I had my LGS in the mid-80's I had to turn away a lot of customers because of a simple sentence they said.
Smart move OP to negate the deal.

 

[LionWeight]

Smart move to end it. There isn't enough money to risk losing your right to own your own firearms. What is your benefit in doing so? A quick sale? There are enough home grown buyers and sellers that I just don't see the benefit. However I'm sure it happens all the time. I just don't get the idea.