Greenwood mall shooting

[jamil]

If the owners of the mall had THEIR way, the killer would have not been interfered with, because the owners of the mall have a "no weapons" policy, which insists that law-abiding types be unarmed, thus leaving ONLY the criminals who don't obey mall-rules (or, laws against murder) armed.

Anyone wanna bet whether or not the mall owners reconsider and repeal their "no weapons" policy....

Nah. they’ll probably ban the armed citizen for life because he was carrying inside the mall against their policies

 

[thunderchicken]

Let's face it most in the media at both national news agencies and local, generally speaking don't know much about guns or gun laws. I doubt if more than 1 or 2 even realize that here in IN, those signs don't carry weight of law.
We know those signs don't carry any legal authority. But it does present their position just the same as having an unenforceable dress code. I mean imagine INGO having a "must wear pants" rule. It would be ignored just the same (think of Printcraft as an example lol).
So while I don't like the context it's being used by media, I'm not bothered by the "he shouldn't have had a gun based on mall policy" BS as it's a mostly unenforceable rule anyway

 

[chipbennett]

Swallwell is at worst a traiterous enemy of the people and at best a complete idiot.

I occasionally peruse the Indy subreddit and it is a complete embarrassment. Can't believe how left leaning this state is turning. And its not just Indy - the burbs have been turning dark blue over the past few decades as well.

Social media is not representative of the population as a whole. That is just as true of Reddit (if not moreso), as it is of Twitter, Facebook, etc. Reddit is, and most of the subreddit mods are, very left-leaning.

 

[thunderchicken]

Funny how "journalists" never challenge the property owners on the absurdity of "no guns" policies.

Why question it? If we are all being honest it's probably recommended by their legal team or insurance policy

 

[jamil]

Social media is not representative of the population as a whole. That is just as true of Reddit (if not moreso), as it is of Twitter, Facebook, etc. Reddit is, and most of the subreddit mods are, very left-leaning.

Twitter has its army of bots ready to pounce on any opinion it disagrees with. It’s probably the least representative of the summation of thinking of all of individuals.

 

[Yup!]

Why question it? If we are all being honest it's probably recommended by their legal team or insurance policy

It allows them to play both sides. The left is happy for the policy while those who know better can ignore it.

 

[nucular]

Social media is not representative of the population as a whole. That is just as true of Reddit (if not moreso), as it is of Twitter, Facebook, etc. Reddit is, and most of the subreddit mods are, very left-leaning.

I do agree with that for the most part. I live in the burg and I base some of my assessment on interactions I have with other parents at school events, within social circles, etc. I feel like the tide is turning and my views are in the minority around here.

 

[Notavictim646]

If the owners of the mall had THEIR way, the killer would have not been interfered with, because the owners of the mall have a "no weapons" policy, which insists that law-abiding types be unarmed, thus leaving ONLY the criminals who don't obey mall-rules (or, laws against murder) armed.

Anyone wanna bet whether or not the mall owners reconsider and repeal their "no weapons" policy....

Simon properties is publicly owned. I am sure they are as happy as any of us that the good samaritan was there, but they will never repeal the policy. Policies like this are really just liability insurance recommended by their legal departments.

 

[manifest destiny]

I could see a push to give legal weight to posted signs. Or at least giving that idea some lip service.

 

[chipbennett]

I do agree with that for the most part. I live in the burg and I base some of my assessment on interactions I have with other parents at school events, within social circles, etc. I feel like the tide is turning and my views are in the minority around here.

Brownsburg - you mean, wanna-be Carmel West? Yeah, I don't doubt it.

 

[chipbennett]

I could see a push to give legal weight to posted signs. Or at least giving that idea some lip service.

I can just see the committee hearings. Our hero from yesterday needs only show up, testify, "If this were the law, I would be dead today." If such a bill even got that far, it would die, right there.

 

[KG1]

I could see a push to give legal weight to posted signs. Or at least giving that idea some lip service.

Giving legal weight to posted signs will not deter criminals.

 

[Keith_Indy]

I can just see the committee hearings. Our hero from yesterday needs only show up, testify, "If this were the law, I would be dead today." If such a bill even got that far, it would die, right there.

"If I this were the law, and I had followed it, I would be dead today."

Yes, I don't think such a law would gain much traction here, but we should still be very wary that it could.

The simple fact that it only "prevents" the law abiding from carrying inside a business should be enough to "shoot it down." But, you know, common sense and logic are sorely missing these days.

 

[manifest destiny]

Yes, I don't think such a law would gain much traction here, but we should still be very wary that it could.

This was my point. Extremely unlikely to be implemented, but suredly to be discussed.

 

[KittySlayer]

I could see a push to give legal weight to posted signs. Or at least giving that idea some lip service.

Perhaps they should just make murder illegal. That will stop the criminals for sure.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Yeah, I think the law is OK how it is. Non force of law signage is a good compromise.


Give these clowns a chance to write a better law and God only knows what we will end up with.

And this is a prime example of how weight of law would be a bad idea. If that had been in play yesterday, odds are that young man wouldnt have been carrying and we would be discussing big body counts.

 

[KittySlayer]

Any wager on a good kid just turning his life around?

So details on the evil killer? What type of person(s) should be on our radar when we have to go to the mall?

 

[chipbennett]

So details on the evil killer? What type of person(s) should be on our radar when we have to go to the mall?

Probably, the person carrying a rifle and pointing/shooting it at people?

Though, in a mall, I think the bigger risk is encountering drug/gang-related activity.

 

[KG1]

Perhaps they should just make murder illegal. That will stop the criminals for sure.

If murder laws won't stop a criminal, then it's absurd to think that signage having the weight of law will stop them. It's pointless.

 

[Bugzilla]

Nah. they’ll probably ban the armed citizen for life because he was carrying inside the mall against their policies

But HE banned the shooter for life from entering any mall ever again!