Four killed at FedEx building in Indianapolis

[jamil]

The baffling thing to me is... If we're going with this kind of nonsense law, why not just take the person into custody?
What's the point of confiscating someone's guns when they could be on a bad side of town later and pick up another firearm? If they're a danger to society, then they need taken off the street.

They'd have to make whatever behavior that was against the law.

 

[Tombs]

They'd have to make whatever behavior that was against the law.

Which they SHOULD have to do to accomplish redflag laws as well.

 

[DadSmith]

Which they SHOULD have to do to accomplish redflag laws as well.

Right back to due process....

 

[jamil]

Which they SHOULD have to do to accomplish redflag laws as well.

The law was passed here. I don't recall the details but I think Laird's law describes behaviors that would trigger the action.

 

[jamil]

Right back to due process....

Does Laird's law not involve due process?

 

[DadSmith]

Does Laird's law not involve due process?

Does a judge give a writ before person is arrested or property seized?

 

[jamil]

Does a judge give a writ before person is arrested or property seized?

Is the person arrested?

 

[Tombs]

Does Laird's law not involve due process?

If it doesn't provide enough due process to take the individual into custody, it isn't enough to take their guns, IMO.

 

[DadSmith]

Is the person arrested?

If they aren't arrested then they don’t have to comply. To take you into custody don’t they need to charge you with something?

 

[Route 45]

If they aren't arrested then they don’t have to comply. To take you into custody don’t they need to charge you with something?

No.

Indiana Code 12-26-4-1. Law enforcement officers; authority to apprehend, transport, and charge an individual with a mental illness » LawServer

www.lawserver.com

 

[DadSmith]

No.

Indiana Code 12-26-4-1. Law enforcement officers; authority to apprehend, transport, and charge an individual with a mental illness » LawServer

www.lawserver.com

Is that part of the Laird's law? Or was it on the books already?

So police officers have to be psychologist now also?

 

[jamil]

If it doesn't provide enough due process to take the individual into custody, it isn't enough to take their guns, IMO.

The two are unrelated.

 

[Route 45]

Is that part of the Laird's law? Or was it on the books already?

So police officers have to be psychologist now also?

No, it was on the books a decade or more before Laird was killed.

You don't have to be a psychologist to develop a reasonable belief that someone may be a threat to themselves or others due to mental illness.

 

[jamil]

It's like porn. You know it when you see it?

 

[IndyDave1776]

It's like porn. You know it when you see it?

So if the crazy makes richard stand up, its grounds to take the person into custody?

 

[KellyinAvon]

No, it was on the books a decade or more before Laird was killed.

You don't have to be a psychologist to develop a reasonable belief that someone may be a threat to themselves or others due to mental illness.

Jake Laird Was killed in 2004, the law hit the books in 2005. Substantial changes made in 2019.

 

[Route 45]

Jake Laird Was killed in 2004, the law hit the books in 2005. Substantial changes made in 2019.

The law that I cited is the immediate detention statute, and it was in force long before Jake Laird was killed. 1992, as a matter of fact.
Source: Me, taking people into custody under the immediate detention statute in the 90s.

 

[KellyinAvon]

The law that I cited is the immediate detention statute, and it was in force long before Jake Laird was killed. 1992, as a matter of fact.
Source: Me, taking people into custody under the immediate detention statute in the 90s.

Jake Laird was killed in 2004.

How Indiana's Jake Laird Law works

Indiana's red flag law was established after a tragedy that happened on Aug. 18, 2004.

www.wrtv.com

 

[DadSmith]

The law that I cited is the immediate detention statute, and it was in force long before Jake Laird was killed. 1992, as a matter of fact.
Source: Me, taking people into custody under the immediate detention statute in the 90s.

So Laird's law really isn't needed then.

 

[Route 45]

Jake Laird was killed in 2004.

How Indiana's Jake Laird Law works

Indiana's red flag law was established after a tragedy that happened on Aug. 18, 2004.

www.wrtv.com

I didn't say he wasn't. I said that the law regarding immediate detention of mentally ill individuals predates Laird by at least a decade. It has nothing to do with Jake Laird.