Firemission! Brookville, IN BAN guns on city property

[Willhurley82]

I hate to post on a dead thread on a hot topic. Here goes.

First off, Brookville is the "hub" of Franklin County. Brookville is the county seat and has the main businesses of the county. Highway 52, 1, 101, and 252 all intersect at town and the Brookville Reservoir is nearby. Now, I'm pretty sure Brookville is just a township, not a city or anything.

The town has a lot of traffic on a daily basis, which is more on weekends (reservoir traffic, weather permitting). What kills me is noone wants to interpret the "new" gun carry rules for Brookville. The general public honestly think that you cannot carry in any public place in town. I know of employees running people out of places of business over this regulation. It is ridiculous. Those who I know, that have guns, live outside of city limits (myself included).

Lack of support is why it will probably never be changed. But in theory, wouldn't the ordinance immediately go out of effect if Brookville ever grows out of "township" status?

Dave

 

[sharpetop]

Screw the politician wannabes in Brookville! Myself and three buddies were down there yesterday to check out a new gun store, [which was closed at 0930...[this is another topic]. We were all carrying plus had several other guns in the truck...heading to the range later. I know several LEOs [county and town] and they think it's B.S. To my knowledge, if caught, law enforcement is to escort you to the to the city limit sign. I guess I'll be a test case if caught.

 

[DarkRose]

Wouldn't the new bill in the state legislation strike this down? (is it SB 292?)

Hopefully it will pass and these hodgepodge town oridnances will be a non-issue, except for towns trying to find loopholes and ways around it...

 

[revance]

But in theory, wouldn't the ordinance immediately go out of effect if Brookville ever grows out of "township" status?

Dave

After SB292 gets passed by the House of Representatives and signed by Daniels, their little ordinance will be no longer.

If you haven't already, contact your state rep and urge him to support SB292.

 

[kwatters]

After SB292 gets passed by the House of Representatives and signed by Daniels, their little ordinance will be no longer.

If you haven't already, contact your state rep and urge him to support SB292.

I agree, I just sent mine a letter.

 

[phatgemi]

Screw the politician wannabes in Brookville! Myself and three buddies were down there yesterday to check out a new gun store, [which was closed at 0930...[this is another topic]. We were all carrying plus had several other guns in the truck...heading to the range later. I know several LEOs [county and town] and they think it's B.S. To my knowledge, if caught, law enforcement is to escort you to the to the city limit sign. I guess I'll be a test case if caught.

I live in franklin county but don't really get to brookville very much. Back when this all started, I tried to rally up some support but had very little success. Sheeple all trained in that town...I even emailed the gunshop regarding it and never even received a response. Hopefully the new bill will take care of this problem....

 

[finity]

To my knowledge, if caught, law enforcement is to escort you to the to the city limit sign. I guess I'll be a test case if caught.

Are you trying to say that guns are completely banned in the city/town/township of Brookville?

If that really is the law it ALREADY violates the state pre-emption law.

The city can only make gun laws for any property that they own/administer. The don't own/administer the roads, sidewalks, private/business property, etc. They can only control guns in city buildings, city parks, etc.

If it is as you say it is then someone needs to step up & challenge that law in court to get it thrown out.

 

[phatgemi]

Firemission! Accomplished.....

Well since SB 292 passed today and just awaits the gov's signature, I am wondering how Brookville town council is feeling. My bet is they are completely unaware of what's going on.........

 

[revance]

Well since SB 292 passed today and just awaits the gov's signature, I am wondering how Brookville town council is feeling. My bet is they are completely unaware of what's going on.........

It hasn't headed to the governor's office yet. It still has to go back to the Senate since the House amended the living hell out of it. Assuming the two houses can agree, THEN it will go to the governor.

For those of you who haven't been paying attention, they have added some ridiculous amendments.

Cities can still:

ban guns in any building they on or administer as long as they put metal detectors
ban guns in hospitals (all now, it used to just be those with a detention ward)
restrict the LAWFUL DISCHARGE of firearms at a SHOOTING RANGE

and a bunch more

 

[phatgemi]

It hasn't headed to the governor's office yet. It still has to go back to the Senate since the House amended the living hell out of it. Assuming the two houses can agree, THEN it will go to the governor.

For those of you who haven't been paying attention, they have added some ridiculous amendments.

Cities can still:

ban guns in any building they on or administer as long as they put metal detectors
ban guns in hospitals (all now, it used to just be those with a detention ward)
restrict the LAWFUL DISCHARGE of firearms at a SHOOTING RANGE

and a bunch more

You may want to get an update! Believe it was passed by a 77 - 21 vote today!!!!!!

 

[revance]

You may want to get an update! Believe it was passed by a 77 - 21 vote today!!!!!!

Yes, it passed the House, but since the House amended it, it must go back to the Senate again. The 2nd House doesn't get to add whatever they want without the approval of the first house.

 

[garyindiane]

I'm from Cedar Grove ( 5 miles east of Brookville ) and this is the first I have heard of any of this. I think the main problem is the people of Brookville simply do not know any of this is going on. I had not heard a damn peep about this until now. I know many pro-gun people living in Franklin county and i'm sure they would say the same thing. I think the main issue is the town inposing their will under the rader of the actual residents. Somthing like this should have never been put into effect without every man, woman and child in Franklin county being aware.

It is another expample of the minority enforcing their will on the majority.
By the time your average Joe knows what is happinging it's to late.

All I can say is the same thing is happining all the way from big Gov to small gov. Get out and vote while you still can.

-Gary

 

[Scutter01]

I'm from Cedar Grove ( 5 miles east of Brookville ) and this is the first I have heard of any of this. I think the main problem is the people of Brookville simply do not know any of this is going on. I had not heard a damn peep about this until now.

Sounds like you need to get more involved and not wait for other people to tell you about pending legislation.

 

[garyindiane]

Sounds like you need to get more involved and not wait for other people to tell you about pending legislation.

I agree completely. I do wish I could have been there to stand up against this. Hopefully in the future I will.

Although I do not agree with your statment above. In my opinion it's like saying I should have known about this forum just because it existed. I have been a gun owner living in Indiana my whole life how could I have not known about INGO. Most likely because I had heard about it until a month ago. I am failing to see how insulting a new ( recently supporting )
member of INGO is helping the situation at all. I guess I just expected more from a Mod then just adding insult to injury.
　
This is my opinion so take it with a grain of salt.
Sincerly, Gary

 

[Scutter01]

I agree completely. I do wish I could have been there to stand up against this. Hopefully in the future I will.

Although I do not agree with your statment above. In my opinion it's like saying I should have known about this forum just because it existed. I have been a gun owner living in Indiana my whole life how could I have not known about INGO. Most likely because I had heard about it until a month ago. I am failing to see how insulting a new ( recently supporting )
member of INGO is helping the situation at all. I guess I just expected more from a Mod then just adding insult to injury.
　
This is my opinion so take it with a grain of salt.
Sincerly, Gary

I don't see how it's insulting. It certainly wasn't intended that way and I apologize if you took it as such. I'm also confused by your statement that you agree with me completely and then that you don't agree with me at all.

The city council meetings are (generally) public and the dates and times are published and well-known. As a responsible citizen, the onus is on you to seek out those meetings (or find the information some other way) and learn what legislation is pending. You can't blame the city for not telling you that they were passing the ordinance, or blame the newspaper for not publishing it. Both likely did, but you missed it because you weren't looking for the information. Likewise, INGO goes to a lot of effort to make its presence known, but if people aren't looking for it (or don't care about it), they'll never find it. We can't go knocking on everyone's door and force the information down their throats. However, if you had said "I'd sure like to know if there are any web forums for gun owners in Indiana", you'd be practically tripping over us. If you Google "web forums for gun owners in Indiana", we're the first three hits.

 

[garyindiane]

I don't see how it's insulting. It certainly wasn't intended that way and I apologize if you took it as such. I'm also confused by your statement that you agree with me completely and then that you don't agree with me at all.

I agree with the fact that I should have done more. We all should.
What i did not agree with your portraying that I am at fault for missing this. It happened and I wish I could have done more.

The city council meetings are (generally) public and the dates and times are published and well-known. As a responsible citizen, the onus is on you to seek out those meetings (or find the information some other way) and learn what legislation is pending. You can't blame the city for not telling you that they were passing the ordinance, or blame the newspaper for not publishing it. Both likely did, but you missed it because you weren't looking for the information. Likewise, INGO goes to a lot of effort to make its presence known, but if people aren't looking for it (or don't care about it), they'll never find it. We can't go knocking on everyone's door and force the information down their throats. However, if you had said "I'd sure like to know if there are any web forums for gun owners in Indiana", you'd be practically tripping over us. If you Google "web forums for gun owners in Indiana", we're the first three hits.

It's just hard for me to realize this happened without me, friends, or family knowing anything. By the amount of people seen at the town meetings. Stated earlier in the thread. Many Franklin county residents must not have heard.

Point taken. This is the interweb and post can be taken out of context.
I apologize for my rant.
Hope you enjoy the rest of your Tuesday.

-Gary

 

[Scutter01]

It's just hard for me to realize this happened without me, friends, or family knowing anything. By the amount of people seen at the town meetings. Stated earlier in the thread. Many Franklin county residents must not have heard.

I agree. I'm fairly certain that most (if not all) local newspapers publish at least a synopsis of any local ordinances under discussion, but it's easy enough for them to bury it on Page 6, and not write any further commentary if they have an agenda of their own. But again, I find it inconceivable that NO ONE knew about the ordinance being passed. It's not legal for them to pass one in secret. Luckily, INGO is here to help try to get the word out.

Point taken. This is the interweb and post can be taken out of context.
I apologize for my rant.
Hope you enjoy the rest of your Tuesday.

-Gary

 

[phatgemi]

Just to throw an additional .02 on this. In fairness to people not knowing, the Brookville town council did sneak this one thru. While alluded to many times, it was never really stated what drove them to this ordinance. Rumor control had it that it was in response to perceived threat to council by a former town employee.........

With that said, when I found out about the ordinance, it was kinda by accident. I did attend a few meetings but because I did not reside in the "town" or Brookville (I do however live in county) they really did not want to listen. Only if actual residents of the town were to complain will they ever listen/respond. SB292 will make this all a mute point.

I had even sent a email (2 actually) to the new gun shop in town hoping to generate some interest and hopefully get the word out to people. I never heard a response. I am rarely off when they were open so could not actually go down to shop. Now it's all water under the bridge as the ordinance is passed.

Bottom line is we all know now!!! We need to stay involved. I'm wondering of their reaction when they find out about sb292......... We Franklin county residents need to unite as a voice.......

 

[phatgemi]

Believe it may be passed via the conference committee. Needing some signatures and it's a done deal.

 

[revance]

Believe it may be passed via the conference committee. Needing some signatures and it's a done deal.

Yup, website shows it is ready for enrollment.