Fatima

[NKBJ]

No, not the girl laying on the zebra skin rug.
The prophecies and then the manifestations witnessed by thousands at Fatima, Portugal in 1917.

Embarking upon a bit of a study. Going to teach myself another course.

The book "Fatima Priest" is about a fellow from Montreal who passed away in 2015, a Father Nicholas Gruner. Essentially, he got fired for refusing to back down on getting the word out about the third message from the events of 1917 at Fatima. This book is much on the personal side of Gruner but it has gotten me to thinking about the whole affair. There are now available a goodly number of sources that examine from a variety of points of view what happened then and afterwards. I'm diving in with the expectations of having much to chew on and some beliefs challenged.

By the time of completion I intend to have achieved the following.
* To have an understanding of the content of the three messages and the current status of fulfillment on the prophetic portions.
* To have an understanding of the motivations behind the censorship of content that has been imposed.
* To gain some understanding of the conflicting factions involved within the Vatican hierarchy.
* To examine the concept of there being three interlocking city states that have been exacting control over the world, The City of London, the Vatican and Washington DC, determine the validity of the claims and how the censorship plays into it.
* To have sufficient information, to weigh the evidence and satisfy myself as to what the agency involved in producing the miracle of Fatima really was.

 

[Magyars]

I've heard or read multiple interpretation of the third message of Fatima.....not really sure what to believe.

 

[Brad69]

Complete skeptic on this one!

Mary picked 3 kids to carry messages?

The “Miracle of the sun” just sounds crazy! Probably mass hysteria.

More likely it was a alien that talked to the children.

 

[KokomoDave]

Lots of folks carrying whapping sticks I noticed in the pic.

 

[JettaKnight]

So you're reading this book to validate conspiratorial beliefs?

Most other folks would ask:
How do masses of people all have the same delusion?
Why does Catholicism endorse superstitions?
Why is Mary, a Middle East woman, always depicted as a pale Northern European?

 

[AtTheMurph]

How do masses of people all have the same delusion?
Why does Catholicism endorse superstitions?
Why is Mary, a Middle East woman, always depicted as a pale Northern European?

1) Perhaps they are not "delusions".
2) Which superstitions?
3) There are plenty of pale Israeli, Lebanese, Turkish, Syrian, Jordanian women. I don't get your racist implication.

 

[HoughMade]

Oh...I thought this was about the cigarettes that Jack Webb used to sell when Dragnet was on radio.

 

[Cameramonkey]

3) There are plenty of pale Israeli, Lebanese, Turkish, Syrian, Jordanian women. I don't get your racist implication.

Its the same, tired trope of the whitening of Jesus. Because back in the day white artists painted Jesus as a white man like this and now its considered racist.

And after watching The Chosen, (link to the AWESOME series in my signature) I catch myself noticing this more now in movies. For one of the videos for worship yesterday, it contained movie footage for one of the old movies about Jesus (Greatest Story Ever Told, maybe? ) and I couldnt help but think to myself "He looks awfully white to me." But unlike one of these whiny liberals, I wasnt offended. I just noticed and moved on with my life.

 

[HoughMade]

Its the same, tired trope of the whitening of Jesus. Because back in the day white artists painted Jesus as a white man like this and now its considered racist.

And after watching The Chosen, (link to the AWESOME series in my signature) I catch myself noticing this more now in movies. For one of the videos for worship yesterday, it contained movie footage for one of the old movies about Jesus (Greatest Story Ever Told, maybe? ) and I couldnt help but think to myself "He looks awfully white to me." But unlike one of these whiny liberals, I wasnt offended. I just noticed and moved on with my life.

"The Chosen" is truly "must see TV". It is spectacular.

 

[Cameramonkey]

"The Chosen" is truly "must see TV". It is spectacular.

It is. Cant wait for the next livestream.

Oh, and I laugh every time I think of the guy that replaced all of his moms jesus photos with Obi Wan while we are on the subject of white Jesuses.

Ewan McGregor Reacts to Star Wars Fan Pranking His Mom By Telling Her Picture of His Obi-Wan Is Jesus

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[JettaKnight]

1) Perhaps they are not "delusions".

Yeah... Perhaps the sun really did dance around, clothes magically dried out.

2) Which superstitions?

Where to begin... Mary was sinless, she has magical powers, the pope can speak with infallibility, pick your miracle, statutes are something you should kneel before, I got into college because mom found a potato chip shaped like St Bernard, wearing trinkets can protect you, pray to saint XXXX to solve YYYY, go on a pilgrimage to pray at chunk of wood...

3) There are plenty of pale Israeli, Lebanese, Turkish, Syrian, Jordanian women. I don't get your racist implication.

So now it's racist to say that Jesus, Mary and Joseph weren't white?!

 

[Cameramonkey]

So now it's racist to say that Jesus, Mary and Joseph weren't white?!

No, but you apparently are racist if your church has paintings like the one in post #9 and you dont take them down and replace them with more authentic representations of them.

At least that was a thing a while back. Not sure if that ever got any traction. Bigger things may have overshadowed it.

 

[HoughMade]

I grew up in a religious tradition that did not use artists' renderings of Jesus because:

1. No one really knows what he looked like, and
2. There is a danger that people would start revering objects...kinda like the idol worship that the prophets were constantly railing against (but seriously, what are the chances of that?).

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Yeah... Perhaps the sun really did dance around, clothes magically dried out.

Where to begin... Mary was sinless, she has magical powers, the pope can speak with infallibility, pick your miracle, statutes are something you should kneel before, I got into college because mom found a potato chip shaped like St Bernard, wearing trinkets can protect you, pray to saint XXXX to solve YYYY, go on a pilgrimage to pray at chunk of wood...

So now it's racist to say that Jesus, Mary and Joseph weren't white?!

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[AtTheMurph]

Yeah... Perhaps the sun really did dance around, clothes magically dried out.

Where to begin... Mary was sinless, she has magical powers, the pope can speak with infallibility, pick your miracle, statutes are something you should kneel before, I got into college because mom found a potato chip shaped like St Bernard, wearing trinkets can protect you, pray to saint XXXX to solve YYYY, go on a pilgrimage to pray at chunk of wood...

So now it's racist to say that Jesus, Mary and Joseph weren't white?!

Perhaps the sun did dance around and clothes dried out. Many witnesses to the event. That you don't understand what happened doesn't change the reports.

What are the magical powers that mary has? And what does the Pope speak infallibly about? Which miracle would you like to talk about? And you do not understand what someone who kneels before a statue is actually doing. Your ignorance of the subject may only be surpassed by your smugness.

you made the mistake of assuming a persons color because of where they are from. That's racist. I've been to Israel, Lebanon, Syria. There are blue eyed blonds, brown-eyed dark skinned people and all shades in between. Area has been a melting pot of peoples for 10,000 years.

 

[JettaKnight]

I grew up in a religious tradition that did not use artists' renderings of Jesus because:

1. No one really knows what he looked like, and
2. There is a danger that people would start revering objects...kinda like the idol worship that the prophets were constantly railing against (but seriously, what are the chances of that?).

Yup.

Our Baptist church, in a former Catholic orphanage, has empty spots on the walls.

 

[Magyars]

I don't know if it's true or not....nor do I know about bigfoot, aliens, iron hammer found in coal, giants, etc. But I'm open to the possibilities...however the more outrageous the theory...the more concrete the evidence needs to be....

 

[Karl-just-Karl]

Just throwing it out there for one of the points in the OP...aren't three horns to be torn out and replaced by a blasphemous little horn?

Things do seem to repeat over and over again.

 

[Brad69]

Hey stay on topic "nerds"!

On the "miracle of the sun" not everyone witnessed the same event. Many including true believers didn't see a thing.


Why would Mary choose three poor peasant children. When she has the bat phone to the pope.

 

[foszoe]

Miracle of the sun.

Joshua obviously ate magic mushrooms