COVID OMICRON Thread

[BugI02]

Oh my…

Predictably, you defaulted to the with/for argument. With: Why are so many unvaccinated people testing positive compared to vaccinated? For: Why are so many unvaccinated people hospitalized with Covid compared to vaccinated? The unvaccinated are in the minority, why doesn’t the census reflect that? You continue to avoid that question.

Your responses to my posts have gotten ridiculous the past couple days, so I’m just going to leave you to your beliefs. I hope you stay healthy and well.

Understood

Your insistence that because the vaccinated make up roughly a 50/50 ratio of the population that they should make up roughly 50% of the hospitalized, or else the vaccines are working, betrays a lack of knowledge of the subtleties of statistics that I can't fix in a couple of paragraphs

Motorcycles are 2.9% of total US vehicles in 2020, yet they account for 14.9% of all traffic fatalities. Why aren't they just 2.9% of the fatalities since that is their prevalence in the population? When you figure out why that is you'll be on your way to understanding why the percentage of vaccinated (or unvaccinated) hospital patients doesn't match their presence in the aggregate population. Bonne chance

I hope your vaccinations work out like you planned.

 

[Ingomike]

When people were using official numbers to say this virus is 99% survivable,

Simple, they only lie one way, that is to perpetuate the narrative. I don’t trust the CDC to throw out my trash, is it that big of a deal if folks use one of their numbers, even if it is somewhat contrived to perpetuate their narrative against them?

 

[BugI02]

Posts like your’s are the exact reason why I’ve lost interest in these threads.

I thought it was because you can't convince anybody that you're right

 

[jsharmon7]

Understood

Your insistence that because the vaccinated make up roughly a 50/50 ratio of the population that they should make up roughly 50% of the hospitalized, or else the vaccines are working, betrays a lack of knowledge of the subtleties of statistics that I can't fix in a couple of paragraphs

Motorcycles are 2.9% of total US vehicles in 2020, yet they account for 14.9% of all traffic fatalities. Why aren't they just 2.9% of the fatalities since that is their prevalence in the population? When you figure out why that is you'll be on your way to understanding why the percentage of vaccinated (or unvaccinated) hospital patients doesn't match their presence in the aggregate population. Bonne chance

I hope your vaccinations work out like you planned.

It’s been a little while since my last stats class in grad school, but not that long. In your motorcycle example, there are other factors at work beyond correlation. I had already considered that angle when I asked you repeatedly for your alternate theory to why that correlation existed. Were you a step behind the conversation this whole time? Regarding those other factors, I asked you that very directly regarding Sheepdogs hospital stats and you didn’t respond to it. Do you understand now why this conversation is no longer fruitful?

 

[firecadet613]

Look at my post history for the past 18 months and tell me I’m “immediately bowing out.” And the whole premise of our discussion was whether vaccines reduce severity. Why are you talking about sports teams? Posts like your’s are the exact reason why I’ve lost interest in these threads.

You asked why so many unvaxxed are testing positive compared to the vaxxed.

If you look at sports teams, where upwards of 95% are vaxxed, that is not the case...

 

[firecadet613]

It’s been a little while since my last stats class in grad school, but not that long. In your motorcycle example, there are other factors at work beyond correlation. I had already considered that angle when I asked you repeatedly for your alternate theory to why that correlation existed. Were you a step behind the conversation this whole time? Regarding those other factors, I asked you that very directly regarding Sheepdogs hospital stats and you didn’t respond to it. Do you understand now why this conversation is no longer fruitful?

It's no longer fruitful because TPTB are excellent at manipulation and turning the population against each other versus joining together against TPTB.

With all the lies and missteps out of our government agencies, one has to wonder what they would have to do to lose the trust of some....

I would have thought it would have been get the two jabs then masks go away... which didn't happen, but those same double jabbed all went and got boosters. Very few said no more and drew the line.

It's amazing how many are good with the moving goal posts...

 

[BugI02]

Do you understand why it is frustrating that you can see that 'there are other factors at work beyond correlation' for that example, but want to insist on if more than 50% of the hospitalized are unvaccinated then the vaccines are working

I could list all of the 'other factors' affecting the vaxxed/unvaxxed ratio for you but like you, in your case I've concluded 'none so blind ...'

 

[jsharmon7]

Do you understand why it is frustrating that you can see that 'there are other factors at work beyond correlation' for that example, but want to insist on if more than 50% of the hospitalized are unvaccinated then the vaccines are working

I could list all of the 'other factors' affecting the vaxxed/unvaxxed ratio for you but like you, in your case I've concluded 'none so blind ...'

Good God man, you still can’t keep up with anything I’m saying. There is a correlation between vaccine status and severity shown in Sheepdogs stats. My opinion is that the vaccine is the reason for that. I’ve tried to be reasonable and allow for the possibility there are other factors. If it’s NOT the vaccine causing that huge disparity, what is it? I still haven’t seen anyone put forth any plausible explanations. You then implied my conclusion about the vaccine being the reason is wrong, so I asked you for what other factors you see that would prove me wrong. You haven’t offered any. You aren’t going to. Yet you’re convinced I’m the one who is two steps behind.

EDIT: Removed the last part as it wasn’t in the spirit of INGO. Be well Bug.

 

[Ziggidy]

Why are we arguing? Everyone is trying make the best conclusion based on their interpretation of the data we are being fed; knowing very well that data is flawed. Essentially we are being lied to and those who are doing the lying are well aware of their targets, on both sides of the vax issue. They are playing us.

For the most part I am not against vaccines; however, I am against mandated vaccines in this arena. I, like many here, had the virus and when it hit me it hit hard. Even though I did not end up in the hospital in 2019, it did scare me because I was never that sick before. I fought getting the vaccine because I was being stubborn about the mandate but I was more fearful of getting that sick again and that fear won. I got the JJ in May. People tried to tell me it was not needed and I was caving in and others were praising me for falling in line. I got it because I was taking a gamble that it would work. I never spoke out against or for the vaccine but did speak out against the mandates. My wife, who is compromised, fought getting it but last week did.

My point in this too long post is this. We need to realize the real issue here. It's not the vaccine and not the virus. The real issue here is how it is being manipulated for monetary and political gains. How it being used to further divide this country.

I see it here, in our church, and our community. It's time to stop bickering.

 

[tim87tr]

Well more people died after the vaccines if you want to be honest. Some here don't want to admit it of course.

It's a rough thing to talk about but I'm afraid more people will have adverse effects up to death from the vaccines than the alleged viral strains. I posted a thread on the Dr. Malone interview on Rogan Podcast. Valuable information for people to make their own life decisions about.

 

[Ziggidy]

Valuable information for people to make their own life decisions about.

Exactly, and no one should feel badly about their decisions.

 

[wtburnette]

Good God man, you still can’t keep up with anything I’m saying. There is a correlation between vaccine status and severity shown in Sheepdogs stats. My opinion is that the vaccine is the reason for that. I’ve tried to be reasonable and allow for the possibility there are other factors. If it’s NOT the vaccine causing that huge disparity, what is it?

My belief is purposefully massaged data from both the hospitals and the government. Not really that hard to believe.

 

[JCSR]

It’s been a little while since my last stats class in grad school, but not that long.

It is clear you over-payed for that education. Even in grad school someone comes in last. Inset "purple" if needed.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Funny, it wasn't so long ago - when the CDC's own numbers were proving that the percentages of cases proceeding to hospitalization and death were comparable for both vaccinated and unvaccinated, you were hung up on 'but there are 12.7x as many unvaccinated cases'

Perhaps in your mind that exchange happened... but not in my post history which I just checked.

Got a quotie? Because I haven't posted on COVID since Aug/Sept so it wasn't recent.

Prior to that, pro-vax people were telling us natural immunity didn't count and everybody had to get vaccinated so we could stop the pandemic

Now you're selling 'prevent death and serious illness' and you can't prove it is even doing that

90% of the most at risk are vaccinated, yet the vaccinated account for only 10% of the hospitalized and very seriously ill. Scroll back, you'll see the proof... I even put it all together in one post.

*shrugs*

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What is that creaking noise that accompanies so many of your posts

Edit: This quote from the article "However, he stressed that they have been proven to prevent the chances of hospitaliation, serious illness and death."
as well as your use of the same term in the portion of your post I cited really make me wonder if either of you understand what 'prevent' means

I notice that I post proof and you change the subject... *shrugs*

 

[SheepDog4Life]

And, if you think it's only the cold or flu, then I guess it doesn't matter either way.

No one ever says that. The wuwho flu is here permanently and will be a constant just like we live with the flu and colds. The BS vaccines will have an efficacy similar to the flu shot.

If you cannot see that, you need to get your heads out of the spreadsheets from sources all proven to have lied to the people at some point through this ordeal…

Just in the past few days...

 

[Ingomike]

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You really are butt hurt over comparisons to and the calling of wuwho flu, similar to colds and flu’s. It is called a flu for Gods sake. Wonder why? None of your examples calked it a traditional cold or flu, rather post one said similar, post two implied similar, post three said it was co-opting, and post four was comparing symptoms. Might reflect on just what motivations you have to so wrongly and uncharitably characterize others statement.

I bet if there had never been any media panic porn the majority of our country would have barely noticed and would have just called it a bad cold or flu season.

 

[jsharmon7]

It is clear you over-payed for that education. Even in grad school someone comes in last. Inset "purple" if needed.

That’s probably it.

 

[wtburnette]

And, if you think it's only the cold or flu, then I guess it doesn't matter either way. Though I would say I've never heard that the common cold kills something like half a million Americans per year. Who knew?

As Ingomike said, no one said it WAS the cold or flu, but that it's similar to the cold or flu.

No one ever says that. The wuwho flu is here permanently and will be a constant just like we live with the flu and colds. The BS vaccines will have an efficacy similar to the flu shot.

If you cannot see that, you need to get your heads out of the spreadsheets from sources all proven to have lied to the people at some point through this ordeal…

Everything he says there is the truth. Here's another good one:

I bet if there had never been any media panic porn the majority of our country would have barely noticed and would have just called it a bad cold or flu season.

I cut it down to the point you should pay the most attention to. Do this, go out and find accurate information about COVID-19 deaths. Go on, I'll wait. Okay, show your work. What do you mean you can't? Oh yeah, it's because ever since the start of this fiasco we've heard about how deaths of people WITH the virus and deaths of people FROM the virus have both been counted as deaths FROM the virus. What does that tell you? It tells me two things. One is that they are lying out their a$$es to reinforce their narrative and because of that we will never, ever find out the real number deaths of people who died because of the virus.

All that said, my belief is that had the media not begun their panic porn campaign and had the hospitals actually reported the stats correctly, it would have been called a bad flu season and we would have all gone about our lives as normal. We may have voluntarily stayed home a bit more and would have washed our hands more. You would have seen a fringe group voluntarily mask, as we have a huge influx of asian immigrants in the last decade, but most people would have gone about their lives as normal. As stated, COVID-19, in one form or another, is here forever, just like the cold and seasonal flu. We'll never be rid of it, thanks to the ChiComs.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

You really are butt hurt over comparisons to and the calling of wuwho flu, similar to colds and flu’s. It is called a flu for Gods sake. Wonder why? None of your examples calked it a traditional cold or flu, rather post one said similar, post two implied similar, post three said it was co-opting, and post four was comparing symptoms. Might reflect on just what motivations you have to so wrongly and uncharitably characterize others statement.

I bet if there had never been any media panic porn the majority of our country would have barely noticed and would have just called it a bad cold or flu season.

As Ingomike said, no one said it WAS the cold or flu, but that it's similar to the cold or flu.

Everything he says there is the truth. Here's another good one:

I cut it down to the point you should pay the most attention to. Do this, go out and find accurate information about COVID-19 deaths. Go on, I'll wait. Okay, show your work. What do you mean you can't? Oh yeah, it's because ever since the start of this fiasco we've heard about how deaths of people WITH the virus and deaths of people FROM the virus have both been counted as deaths FROM the virus. What does that tell you? It tells me two things. One is that they are lying out their a$$es to reinforce their narrative and because of that we will never, ever find out the real number deaths of people who died because of the virus.

All that said, my belief is that had the media not begun their panic porn campaign and had the hospitals actually reported the stats correctly, it would have been called a bad flu season and we would have all gone about our lives as normal. We may have voluntarily stayed home a bit more and would have washed our hands more. You would have seen a fringe group voluntarily mask, as we have a huge influx of asian immigrants in the last decade, but most people would have gone about their lives as normal. As stated, COVID-19, in one form or another, is here forever, just like the cold and seasonal flu. We'll never be rid of it, thanks to the ChiComs.

Wow!

Let me get this straight... no one's calling COVID the cold or the flu? Except it is a flu because flu is in the name??? And if it weren't for the media hype, no one would have noticed, because the numbers are all made up anyway, so people would have just thought it was a bad cold or flu and went about their business, none the wiser?

Wow! Just wow!

 

[wtburnette]

Wow!

Let me get this straight... no one's calling COVID the cold or the flu? Except it is a flu because flu is in the name??? And if it weren't for the media hype, no one would have noticed, because the numbers are all made up anyway, so people would have just thought it was a bad cold or flu and went about their business, none the wiser?

Wow! Just wow!

Dude, just stop it. If you feel this is an actual pandemic that is as bad as they say, good for you. The rest of us that can see things realistically won't be drawn into the narrative. I stand by what I say. Had this not been pushed so hard by the government and media, my guess is that it would have been called a bad flu year a couple years in a row. We wouldn't have so many people flooding ER's as everyone would stay home and treat it, the way they normally would have a flu or cold. Wow? Yes wow...