"Congestion Pricing" - $15 toll to drive in NYC during peak traffic times

[Creedmoor]

Economists have long advocated for varied tolls, based on traffic or use patterns, to allocate a limited resource. It incentivizes those with low priority needs not to use the resources frivolously.

I thought INGO was all about users paying for the resources they used, at least that seemed the majority take when bicycles are on the road...

The lanes that were used on the DC 495 Beltway have been there for 10 - 30 years.

 

[model1994]

crazy.

a friend and I were so excited to make it to San Fran and cross the Golden Gate Bridge - kinda spoils the vibe when you see giant signs telling you of an electronic toll you now owe. We were roadtripping in a rental and wasn’t able to pay online (error with the site or something) so that toll ended up being charged from the rental company, by the time fees attached and all it was like $50. to cross a bridge into poo infested streets lol

 

[Lpherr]

 

[Ingomike]

The lanes that were used on the DC 495 Beltway have been there for 10 - 30 years.

We do still believe in market forces? If the resource is scarce a higher price is in order to better allocate those resources.

 

[Ingomike]

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Probably have to pay a toll to leave…

 

[shibumiseeker]

We do still believe in market forces? If the resource is scarce a higher price is in order to better allocate those resources.

I do. Hence why I will never go there.

 

[KLB]

We do still believe in market forces? If the resource is scarce a higher price is in order to better allocate those resources.

This is not the market at work. This is a government. Let's not pretend they are anything alike.

 

[Creedmoor]

We do still believe in market forces? If the resource is scarce a higher price is in order to better allocate those resources.

As long as it goes on the States referendum and its voted in.

 

[Ingomike]

This is not the market at work. This is a government. Let's not pretend they are anything alike.

Markets are in place in all parts of life, including government. If a toll is in place wouldn't some users not use the road, or go when it is cheaper? That is an unseen hand of markets working.

Tgis may be a money grab or it legit could be a way to clear some congestion on the road…

 

[Ingomike]

As long as it goes on the States referendum and its voted in.

Good idea, we should just have votes of the people to decide everything…

 

[Creedmoor]

Markets are in place in all parts of life, including government. If a toll is in place wouldn't some users not use the road, or go when it is cheaper? That is an unseen hand of markets working.

Tgis may be a money grab or it legit could be a way to clear some congestion on the road…

Markets???? Bull Its nothing more than a money grab and a way for those that have, to get home easier and faster.

 

[Creedmoor]

Good idea, we should just have votes of the people to decide everything…

You and your endless absurd Straw Men.

 

[HoughMade]

Markets???? Bull Its nothing more than a money grab and a way for those that have, to get home easier and faster.

Is there any evidence that this level of fees will reduce congestion?

I have a tendency to think it's 100% a money grab. For every person the fee deters, another will think there is less congestion and be more than willing to pay the fee. The tolls on 80/90, the Skyway, other Illinois tollways and Ohio Turnpike have never caused me to find a different route.

 

[Ingomike]

Is there any evidence that this level of fees will reduce congestion?

I have a tendency to think it's 100% a money grab. For every person the fee deters, another will think there is less congestion and be more than willing to pay the fee. The tolls on 80/90, the Skyway, other Illinois tollways and Ohio Turnpike have never caused me to kind a different route.

Have you ever read any research on this topic? I have and it is fascinating. I have not read deeply on the current situation so I have no idea if it is a money grab or an attempt to relieve congestion. Do any of those have tolls that vary? Very few seem to although I expect we will see more of them in the future.

 

[Ingomike]

You and your endless absurd Straw Men.

Did you not suggest that a vote be done on it? Geezz

 

[HoughMade]

Have you ever read any research on this topic? I have and it is fascinating. I have not read deeply on the current situation so I have no idea if it is a money grab or an attempt to relieve congestion. Do any of those have tolls that vary? Very few seem to although I expect we will see more of them in the future.

I haven't. That's why I ask. The fees they are talking about don't seem high enough affect behavior significantly, but that's speculation on my part.

 

[Creedmoor]

Is there any evidence that this level of fees will reduce congestion?

I have a tendency to think it's 100% a money grab. For every person the fee deters, another will think there is less congestion and be more than willing to pay the fee. The tolls on 80/90, the Skyway, other Illinois tollways and Ohio Turnpike have never caused me to find a different route.

I'm a firm believer in its a grab myself. I'm old enough to remember things from the MD Statehouse like, the bridge toll will stop once its been paid for, the lottery is going towards nothing but education and so on.
I'm worn out on paying for things and then pay a usage fee in order to use it.

 

[Creedmoor]

Did you not suggest that a vote be done on it? Geezz

And you just jumped to,

Good idea, we should just have votes of the people to decide everything…

 

[indyblue]

I'm a firm believer in its a grab myself. I'm old enough to remember things from the MD Statehouse like, the bridge toll will stop once its been paid for, the lottery is going towards nothing but education and so on.
I'm worn out on paying for things and then pay a usage fee in order to use it.

Just like we're still paying for the HoosierDome long ago imploded.

 

[Ingomike]

I haven't. That's why I ask. The fees they are talking about don't seem high enough affect behavior significantly, but that's speculation on my part.

There literally are thousands of articles on this. Here is one. I put “research variable toll pricing” in a search and was flooded with articles.

Congestion Pricing — A Primer: Overview - What Is Congestion Pricing? - FHWA Operations

ops.fhwa.dot.gov