redneckmedic
Grandmaster
This explains a lot...
It actually explains about everything!!!
This explains a lot...
I know a gentleman who once told how he was inside a local auto parts store when multiple armed men came inside to rob the place. This gentleman was actually not carrying at all (he had JUST left the range and left his Glock in the truck. . . .) at the time. For the sake of this thread, let's assume he was carrying in one of two ways:
1) he was carrying concealed.
2) he was carrying openly.
For option #1, it would've been a tense situation, as he would have to choose his timing precisely. But, unless they gave him a pat-down, he would have the element of surprise on his side. He could choose to act immediately or to wait for a better opportunity.
For option #2, I am curious what would've transpired at that point. The "deterrence" argument would be moot in this case, as they gunmen entered without seeing ANY customers first. The BGs rush in and round up all the customers. I'm sure at some point one of them would've noticed. Now, they might not have shot him on the spot, but I'm willing to bet they would've certainly disarmed him immediately. And that would leave him limited options-- like having to shoot sooner than he might've if he was carrying concealed.
I dunno. It was just one incident (which didn't even involve a gun in reality), but one I ponder when the OC vs. CC debate comes up.
Option three would be to stand back and do nothing unless you are threatened and let them rob the place and leave. Stay back, stay quiet and don't act threatening towards the bad guys. Why would anyone risk getting killed to save some auto parts store a few bucks. Personally that would be my choice and would guess most sensible people in that situation.
It is one thing to talk the talk, it is another to walk the walk and I believe many of these Wyatt Earp's we have on here would probably **** their pants in that situation. Again, I still want to hear from one person on this forum who actually has had to draw their gun, not a story someone heard. Personally I do not know anyone.
It is one thing to talk the talk, it is another to walk the walk and I believe many of these Wyatt Earp's we have on here would probably **** their pants in that situation. Again, I still want to hear from one person on this forum who actually has had to draw their gun, not a story someone heard. Personally I do not know anyone.
What about people who get shot just because? Did they ever catch the scum bag that shot the pregnant teller in the stomach? That is why I would have to intervene.
Until it happens everything is talk. Including your Wyatt Earp comment. The fact that I have never had to draw my gun is no reason to dismiss the reason to have it.
Michiana: O.K., that last post made more sense. I agree, there are times when drawing a weapon may not be your best option.
As far as someone posting their experience on a public forum, that may be unwise. Chances are, they are in litigation or are under threat of litigation. Either way, I certainly wouldn't publish it for the world to see.
...I have been so f*cking scared I could not sh*t for a week though... But that was not inside the US either.
If there are people out there who went through a situation and are now in legal trouble it only confirms what I have been saying; don't esculate the situation for yourself unless your life is in danger. Look at the guy who worked at McDonalds and got hurt helping stop a mugging and the company will not pay the guys medical bills. Crazy.
This is, of coarse, all talk but I don't think that I could live with myself if I let someone get killed if I had the power to stop it. If it was a simple robbery (if there is such a thing) and I didn't feel anyones life was in danger I may just stay quiet.
You should be careful though. This is almost a thread jack of the OC/CC threadjack thread. The topic of this thread is the merits of OC/CC not whether or not someone should intervene in a dangerous situation.
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I have solved this debate.
I OC and CC at the same time. Gun on the side at 4oclock and one in the pocket next to my wallet.