CIVIL RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION: All things Islam...

[Benp]

Although we place value on how we believe others think of us, this doesn't determine our value

 

[Cygnus]

Uh... Praise be to Odin.

Civil Religious Discussion: All things Norse?????

 

[Alpo]

It's about time....the Christians have crusaded into the Islam thread.

 

[jamil]

I hope I haven't come across in that manner.

I am simply attempting to say it is possible to know something by personal experience that is impossible to prove to anyone else, but that also doesn't mean its any less true.

Being a Christian is not arrived at by head knowledge.

Whether I am in a Chemistry class wanting to know what is in a solution or trying to determine the existence of God, I will never know unless i invest some time in the matter. I can read my Chemistry book all day long and unless I start titrating I will NEVER know what is in that bottle. I can read the Holy Bible, I can read the Koran, or any other sacred text but unless I DO something, I will never know the truth of the matter.

I generally agree with the emboldened sentence as stated. But of what value is that. I think the only usefulness is limited to trying to show people you're not crazy for what you believe. And believe me, I'm not trying to say you or any other religious people are crazy. I don't believe that. But it doesn't do anything to convince me that you're right either.

It doesn't logically follow that if you believe something with maximum confidence, it must be true, or if I doubt it hard enough, it's false. Your belief or my skepticism in themselves aren't logical indicators that your belief is true or false. A better indicator of what is true or false is the quality of what we based our conclusions on. If you tell me that you really believe it, and you really have faith, I'm going to be skeptical. But if you tell me that you've seen God yourself, and you can provide evidence that you really saw him, that's more convincing.

 

[foszoe]

Is there any value to you in knowing the truth?

For me there is great value in both the knowing of and the seeking after truth, but do we share this pursuit?

I generally agree with the emboldened sentence as stated. But of what value is that. I think the only usefulness is limited to trying to show people you're not crazy for what you believe. And believe me, I'm not trying to say you or any other religious people are crazy. I don't believe that. But it doesn't do anything to convince me that you're right either.

It doesn't logically follow that if you believe something with maximum confidence, it must be true, or if I doubt it hard enough, it's false. Your belief or my skepticism in themselves aren't logical indicators that your belief is true or false. A better indicator of what is true or false is the quality of what we based our conclusions on. If you tell me that you really believe it, and you really have faith, I'm going to be skeptical. But if you tell me that you've seen God yourself, and you can provide evidence that you really saw him, that's more convincing.

 

[foszoe]

Ummmm who held the ground first in the Crusades?

While I understand what you're saying, it isn't quite historically accurate in my understanding....however, in my search for truth, I am willing to learn differently.

It's about time....the Christians have crusaded into the Islam thread.

 

[Alpo]

You mention Crusades as a noun. I used it as a verb. We missed forming a covalent bond on the matter.

You guys are battling epistemology (lots of nice books on the subject).

 

[foszoe]

Name them! Been wanting to get a good overview approach.

I'd show you my amazon searches as prove but please just believe me in faith on this one.

You mention Crusades as a noun. I used it as a verb. We missed forming a covalent bond on the matter.

You guys are battling epistemology (lots of nice books on the subject).

 

[Alpo]

Wow. Popper, Descarte, Hume, Kant, Plato

Just off the top of my head. Probably the best but you really have to chew through it is Kant. I would lean toward Descarte.

 

[foszoe]

wanting a text that would be used in a PHIL 200 level class as an overview compare/contrast

Wow. Popper, Descarte, Hume, Kant, Plato

Just off the top of my head. Probably the best but you really have to chew through it is Kant. I would lean toward Descarte.

 

[jamil]

You mention Crusades as a noun. I used it as a verb. We missed forming a covalent bond on the matter.

You guys are battling epistemology (lots of nice books on the subject).

I thought we were just discussing it. Not a battle.

 

[Alpo]

wanting a text that would be used in a PHIL 200 level class as an overview compare/contrast

Haven't read this and it might be too basic. https://www.amazon.com/How-Do-Know-...7820&sr=8-2&keywords=comparative+epistemology

If you really want a recommendation, call Purdue or Notre Dame and ask one of the philosophy professors. They probably are the most up to date. I once talked to a Trappist monk on finding good commentary on the Gospel of John (Raymond Brown).

 

[BugI02]

You mention Crusades as a noun. I used it as a verb. We missed forming a covalent bond on the matter.

You guys are battling epistemology (lots of nice books on the subject).

Sharing some electrons so closely that it effectively completes something in each of you sounds ... icky

Couldn't you just share a couple beers

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Cologne rally: As many as 10,000 Muslims to protest Islamic extremism | The Independent

 

[foszoe]

This is what I wish we would see more of. The headline is telling.

Cologne rally: As many as 10,000 Muslims to protest Islamic extremism | The Independent

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Sargon of Akkad interviews Maajid Nawaz about Islamism, Jihad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuSz2RorOLw

Some here may find interesting the parts about literalism and the Quran.

 

[PaulF]

So, these guys seem pretty, um...radical.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Apparently Imam Tawhidi's message is too SENSITIVE for twitter - Twitter is blatantly censoring counter-narrative messages with the "sensitive" label

 

[ArcadiaGP]

New Sargon video on Islam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1cMUC0IeB8

 

[T.Lex]

Eid Mubarak!