Body armor

[rooster]

I get that the ACU gear is cheap, but why, why, why would you buy it? God ACUs only ever blended in with this one image of a couch...

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Hell, even though OCPs only really blend in with dry grass, even they are a step up from the ACUs.

Now MARPAT, or old school BDUs are the way to go for camo.

Biggest problem with most acu gear isn’t just the camo it’s the design. The iotv was terrible and it was just about peak acu carrier

 

[DoggyDaddy]

God ACUs only ever blended in with this one image of a couch...

Oh man, I could've done some serious damage with that couch and a set of that camo when I was a kid with my Johnny 7 gun, ambushing my mom. I had to hide behind the couch for the element of surprise!

 

[jsx1043]

I get that the ACU gear is cheap, but why, why, why would you buy it? God ACUs only ever blended in with this one image of a couch...

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Hell, even though OCPs only really blend in with dry grass, even they are a step up from the ACUs.

Now MARPAT, or old school BDUs are the way to go for camo.

I’ve always loved that picture!

As for ACU gear, I’d say it’s still a good buy if you buy something decent like a FLC, chest rig, or the like. Yeah, the pattern sucks, but it’s better than no kit at all and can be hit with a dusting of Krylon. Heck, all the future fighting is gonna be in the cities so it’s one step closer anyways.

 

[MRE Milkshake]

I’ve always loved that picture!

As for ACU gear, I’d say it’s still a good buy if you buy something decent like a FLC, chest rig, or the like. Yeah, the pattern sucks, but it’s better than no kit at all and can be hit with a dusting of Krylon. Heck, all the future fighting is gonna be in the cities so it’s one step closer anyways.

Yeah, the Army was stupid to adopt the ACUs. Camo in urban areas won't really matter though for the average infantryman anyways so I would say just go with whatever camo pattern fits best with the environment the region you are in goes with.

 

[jsx1043]

I always figured that camouflage in the urban environment would end up being fairly useless after a point. While it’s a movie, I always felt an appreciation for the reality that the directors achieved in Battle: Los Angeles.

When they Marine unit started out, they had all of their desert kit with coyote PCs and desert Marpat uniforms. By the end of it, with all of the fighting, dirt and grime, their uniforms were a nasty mess and a solid dark grey:





That being said, I think more muted tones like wolf grey, ranger green and even to some extent coyote and black would end up doing better. That still being said, if someone on a budget still needed kit, a good ACU or coyote chest rig or FLC (maybe Rit dyed or dosed with some spray paint) over readily available soft armor would put them light years ahead of the guy without anything.

 

[MCgrease08]

The urban ghillie suit.

 

[akrylov]

So yesterday I made a I'll say big purchase I got a level IV plate from ar500 they are having a sale and I decided to jump on it, yes it's just the one plate but it's a start I'm very excited, of course I'll need another plate, trauma pads and a vest but in time, and I'm sure I'll get good or bad comments
dont break my balls please,

I think trauma pads are scam, you already have level 4 steel plate which stops Dragunov bullet, hard plates known to not bent after impact, so there is no reason to have trauma pads, it's my just my opinion

 

[akrylov]

Any suggestions for brands that are currently available (meaning not a 2-3 month wait)?

For $300 or less, are you looking at the heavier hard plates?

Scorpion tactical, 2 ar500 plates level 3 protection for 90$, what more important is that they are listed in NIJ website as trusted and passed all their tests, I would say this is the best deal you can ever get

 

[Ruger_Ronin]

I think trauma pads are scam, you already have level 4 steel plate which stops Dragunov bullet, hard plates known to not bent after impact, so there is no reason to have trauma pads, it's my just my opinion

I retyped this twice to be nicer....
Please do not spread misinformation based on opinion.

Backface deformation is common with steel plates of various "levels". This is what those pads were designed for, to mitigate blunt force trauma when rounds impact the armor. Ceramic/composite plates do a better job of dispersing the energy of the impact vs steel, mostly negating the need for such pads.

 

[jsx1043]

I retyped this twice to be nicer....
Please do not spread misinformation based on opinion.

Backface deformation is common with steel plates of various "levels". This is what those pads were designed for, to mitigate blunt force trauma when rounds impact the armor. Ceramic/composite plates do a better job of dispersing the energy of the impact vs steel, mostly negating the need for such pads.

Thank you.

Also, there’s a difference between pads and backers. Some companies use the term interchangeably. Pads are a cushion to make the plate more comfortable to wear, backers are a ballistic soft armor panel that helps protect against back face deformation, scale up certain (ICW/in conjunction with) plates, act as a lighter armor option protecting against frag and pistol calibers, and when worn on the front of steel plates, acts as a spalling protector.

 

[Ruger_Ronin]

Thank you.

Also, there’s a difference between pads and backers. Some companies use the term interchangeably. Pads are a cushion to make the plate more comfortable to wear, backers are a ballistic soft armor panel that helps protect against back face deformation, scale up certain (ICW/in conjunction with) plates, act as a lighter armor option protecting against frag and pistol calibers, and when worn on the front of steel plates, acts as a spalling protector.

 

[akrylov]

I retyped this twice to be nicer....
Please do not spread misinformation based on opinion.

Backface deformation is common with steel plates of various "levels". This is what those pads were designed for, to mitigate blunt force trauma when rounds impact the armor. Ceramic/composite plates do a better job of dispersing the energy of the impact vs steel, mostly negating the need for such pads.

I would understand pads for soft armor which only stops force by capturing bullet in itself, but hard steel disperse force over entire surface, I am not expert, but watch tests of hard armor, it get almost 1 mm bent on back side even from AK 7,62

 

[akrylov]

I purchased on the thought that one these upcoming years they will ban personal purchase of body armor.

Don't think they allow us to have an ak47 but prohibit wearing 2 steel plates lol

 

[Ruger_Ronin]

I don't know where to begin. Or end. But I DO know my favorite new quote is "in itself". I ain't never seen that.

Is that you Voda?

 

[akrylov]

I don't know where to begin. Or end. But I DO know my favorite new quote is "in itself". I ain't never seen that.

Is that you Voda?

More like vodKa, sorry man, I had only 2 years to learn this language

 

[akrylov]

The fight is never over, warriors aren't trained to retire (13hrs)

I'M STEALING THAT LINE

 

[ditcherman]

More like vodKa, sorry man, I had only 2 years to learn this language

I knew it!
Let me guess, you’re a out of work Russian troll from the last election, have seen the light and have gone native and now are on our side?

 

[akrylov]

I knew it!
Let me guess, you’re a out of work Russian troll from the last election, have seen the light and have gone native and now are on our side?

Ya, you're ******* right. I get paid with food by texting here

 

[DadSmith]

Steel plate wearing you should also wear something like this. If your plate takes multiple hits it will still provide protection, however it with start sending fragments of the bullets into your face and neck. Something like this would provide protection from that.

Bulletproof Neck Collar- Gabriel Ballistic Collar- NIJ Level IIIA Protection » Active Violence Solutions (AVS)

Main Features: NIJ Level IIIA Protection against handgun and shotgun threats. Provides 360 degree coverage to the neck and 5" of coverage to the upper chest and clavicle. Shell is a spandex/nylon blend made with anti-microbial, moisture wicking fabric. Adjustable up to 3" within each neck...

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This video can show you what can happen on impact with steel plate armor.

 

[akrylov]

Steel plate wearing you should also wear something like this. If your plate takes multiple hits it will still provide protection, however it with start sending fragments of the bullets into your face and neck. Something like this would provide protection from that.

Bulletproof Neck Collar- Gabriel Ballistic Collar- NIJ Level IIIA Protection » Active Violence Solutions (AVS)

Main Features: NIJ Level IIIA Protection against handgun and shotgun threats. Provides 360 degree coverage to the neck and 5" of coverage to the upper chest and clavicle. Shell is a spandex/nylon blend made with anti-microbial, moisture wicking fabric. Adjustable up to 3" within each neck...

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This video can show you what can happen on impact with steel plate armor.

I would say it is extremely impractical considering wearing that on hunting or public places, It can be easily substituted with hard plates with coating, it absorbs all fragments and does not make you look weird