Another knife attack at a Chinese school

[cobber]

And it would have been much worse if the perp had a gun...

Deadly Knife Attack and Suicide at Hubei Primary School ? chinaSMACK

Such are the fruits of gun-free (in this case knife-free) zones.

 

[JeremiahJohnson]

Mental illness knows no cultural or geographic boundaries. Sick or bad people are going to do bad things. Obviously, much could be done to harden these targets.

 

[jamil]

Wow. It's obviously their culture of knives that's the problem. If they would just institute knife control they could eliminate a lot of suffering.

 

[cobber]

Wow. It's obviously their culture of knives that's the problem. If they would just institute knife control they could eliminate a lot of suffering.

And of course if you have to carry a knife you must have a small, erm, implement.

 

[BogWalker]

I hope it wasn't a serrated assault knife!

 

[ghunter]

Force on force. Private gun ownership in China is a big no-no. If the Chicom gubmint would let teachers use "kung-fu" swords (I don't know crap about Chinese weapons besides their reverse engineered Russian weapons), this problem would solve itself.

Oh well, we are in the minority of cultures who see the benefit of the people being able to solve problems of violence on their own.

The human condition is depressing.

I'm finishing my martini.

 

[Bogan]

You geniuses answer these:
How many knife homicides in China per capita per year?
How many gun homicides in China per capita per year?

Now how many gun homicides in the USA per capita per year?

Wear plastic bags on your heads, these will prevent a mess when your heads explode.

 

[jamil]

You geniuses answer these:
How many knife homicides in China per capita per year?
How many gun homicides in China per capita per year?

Now how many gun homicides in the USA per capita per year?

Wear plastic bags on your heads, these will prevent a mess when your heads explode.

Hey, Bogan's back. Haven't seen you around in awhile.

BTW, loosen up man, you're gonna get high blood pressure before you hit 25.

 

[singlesix]

Wear plastic bags on your heads, these will prevent a mess when your heads explode.

You first, come back and let us know how it turned out.

 

[cobber]

You geniuses answer these:
How many knife homicides in China per capita per year?
How many gun homicides in China per capita per year?

Now how many gun homicides in the USA per capita per year?

Wear plastic bags on your heads, these will prevent a mess when your heads explode.

Knife homicides v. ACTUAL gun homicides? It's fair to say China would never release that figure, but I'm willing to bet their murder rate equals or exceeds the US.

Gun homicides in China? You mean besides the State? I guess when the State kills you it's okay?

Lots of violence there.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

How many knife homicides in China per capita per year?

A metric ton.

How many gun homicides in China per capita per year?

A bunch

Now how many gun homicides in the USA per capita per year?

Far smaller number than knife homicides per capita in the PRC.

If one controls for race and geography, there are damn few gun homicides per capita.

 

[bingley]

I don't know how one "controls for race and geography," but comparison of safety in different countries, using weapon ownership as the only factor, is misleading. Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan are safer than the US. Japan is safer BY FAR. There is no legal civilian firearms ownership in these countries. Some of them even regulate ownership of swords. China also prohibits weapon ownership. So how come it's not as safe? Alternatively, there is a high rate of gun ownership in Switzerland and Canada. How come they are safer than the US? Heck, I knew someone who grew up in a country where civilians carried AKs starting at a young age. That was because it was really dangerous at the time. So does the US has too many guns, or not enough guns? Isn't that a stupid question?

 

[BehindBlueI's]

So does the US has too many guns, or not enough guns? Isn't that a stupid question?

Yup. Trying to analyze a complex problem by using a simple variable isn't likely to give any real information.

What's worked in the US to reduce crime in some of the worst neighborhoods? Removing guns? No. Importing guns? Also no. Addressing the culture of violence, providing a way out for those who will accept it, and nailing the ones who won't to excise them from the community? Yup. Sort of makes me think that cultural differences, options for the mentally ill and the desperate, and the segregation of those who are fueling the violence away from the rest of society may make way more difference than accessibility of weapons. Weapons are a variable, no doubt, but focusing on them to the exclusion of the others is a common fault on both sides of the debate.

 

[ModernGunner]

First off, our condolences to the good people of Hubei Shiyan.

This only demonstrates, further, the need for law-abiding citizens to be able to defend themselves, including schools having the ability (whether armed teachers or designated security) to defend the kids in the school, from murderous lunatics.

If anything, this just 'proves the point' of the 2A group rather than rabid, anti-gun, left-loon Liberals.

You cannot stop the murderous psychopath from committing heinous acts by disarming the law-abiding. Anywhere on the planet.

...There is no legal civilian firearms ownership in these countries. Some of them even regulate ownership of swords. China also prohibits weapon ownership...

There is no 'regulation' of illegal ownership of weapons of any type in Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, or China. Nor is there any 'regulation' of criminals, who perpetrate crimes just the same as they do in the U.S. - illegally.

It should ALSO be noted that those countries (and others) do NOT report their crime statistics in a manner equivalent to that of the United States. MANY crimes are unreported, or under-reported. Japan is notable here, as the Japan crime culture (the Triads, specifically) are so well established in the country, they're virtually considered an 'alternate lifestyle'.

The 'argument' is fallacious as the 'statistics' are skewed. And for a specific, political agenda. This is true in many foreign countries (U.K. comes to mind) that do NOT report crime statistics to accurately represent the crime prevalent in their respective countries.

Comparing 'apples to oranges' has long been known to be disingenuous, at best.

As the article demonstrates, you simply cannot, any where, 'negate' the criminal by continually restricting the law-abiding.

 

[rob63]

According to the U.N. the homicide rate in Hong Kong in 1996, the final year of British rule, was 5.5. The following year, the first of Chinese communist rule, it had fallen to 2.0 and has continued to fall ever since to 0.5. I guess you can argue that communism lowers the homicide rate, or you can argue it makes a difference who is doing the counting.

 

[Denny347]

Different political system, different culture, different belief systems, there is little to compare us to. Comparing apples to jet airliners.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Comparing apples to jet airliners.

Neither have sufficient leg room?

 

[RockofStrength]

Different political system, different culture, different belief systems, there is little to compare us to. Comparing apples to jet airliners.

Indeed. You have a vast gulf in cultural heritage between the Far East and the West that existed for some 4,000+ years, and a century or two of "togetherness" has done little to bridge it. Even in-country issues (dynamics in economics, politics and family life for countries that were suddenly thrust into the modern, industrialized world rather than slowly coming into it as Europe and North America could) cause vast shifts in cultural expectations and reactions to various issues.