Wayne LaPierre Resigns

Ingomike · Mar 3, 2024

jamil said:
Is that what this is about? Do you think that what the NRA becomes now might be an org that doesn't kiss Trump's ass? Is that what you're afraid of?

I think it might take a couple years, but in terms of a pro gun organization, especially their ILA wing, I think they will become powerful. I have no interest in whether they'll kiss Trump's ass. I just want them to be a strong defender of gun rights, among their other missions.

You and your ilk neutered the organization because a leftist DA used you to..

jamil said:
Nothing got burned down but WLP. He gone.

Yep, the constant of over thirty years was eliminated by you and your ilk.

jamil said:
No. You were too busy dodging and weaving. A real conversation almost started about improvements, but then you had to whine about ilk and ****. BTW. He gone.

Yep, take your victory lap.

jamil said:
No one burned the NRA down. WLP got burned down. Not by me. Not by other gun rights advocates. WLP got caught. Got fried. Got gone. Now. I guess if you think the NRA *is* WLP, maybe you have half a point. The NRA is its members and supporters.

You stopped funding. It is teetering on the verge of bankruptcy.

jamil said:
You still have this deluded idea that the NRA can't be as strong without WLP. Is he like your uncle or something? I've never seen anyone irrationally defend someone like you've defended WLP.

Says a guy that has never built anything bigger than his own ego.

jamil said:
I don't know what this even means. You'll have to translate it to English. Who is the "tough 2A"? Why can't they have their choice questioned? Who is saying they can't? Or they can? Why does one have to know a lobbyist personally?

It is all typed out for you, learn to read it will help discussions a lot,

KLB · Mar 3, 2024

Ingomike said:
Got it. Nothing special about Michael Jordan either, he was just the leader of a team that did great things, things never done, but it just happened while he was the leader. This line of thinking is utterly ridiculous. Not sure what it is about INGO that they cannot recognize leadership and accomplishments.

That is one of the most inane statements I've ever read. Comparing a bureaucrat to an athlete is the ridiculous line of thinking.

Comparing a CEO to a coach would be closer, but still not quite the same.

You're just so much smarter than the rest of us. Everyone upset with the NRA for allowing WLP to misuse funds is just a dunce that was duped by those pesky Libs. It must be lonely in this fantasyland of yours.

jamil · Mar 3, 2024

Ingomike said:
You and your ilk neutered the organization because a leftist DA used you to..

This is deluded.

Ingomike said:
Yep, the constant of over thirty years was eliminated by you and your ilk.

WLP brought this on by his own actions.

Ingomike said:
Yep, take your victory lap.

You stopped funding. It is teetering on the verge of bankruptcy.

Really? I have, and have always advocated to donate to NRA-ILA. That money wasn't WLP's to spend. As far as bankruptcy, well, that's on WLP. Maybe stay above board in all your dealings and there's nothing to get caught for. I'm sure the NRA will improve as people come back now that he's gone.

Ingomike said:
It is all typed out for you, learn to read it will help discussions a lot,

It's all typed out in gibberish. What/who is the "tough 2A"? That doesn't even make any sense.

jamil · Mar 3, 2024

KLB said:
That is one of the most inane statements I've ever read. Comparing a bureaucrat to an athlete is the ridiculous line of thinking.

Comparing a CEO to a coach would be closer, but still not quite the same.

You're just so much smarter than the rest of us. Everyone upset with the NRA for allowing WLP to misuse funds is just a dunce that was duped by those pesky Libs. It must be lonely in this ~~fantasyland~~ [fantasy island] of yours.

FIFY

Ingomike · Mar 4, 2024

KLB said:
That is one of the most inane statements I've ever read. Comparing a bureaucrat to an athlete is the ridiculous line of thinking.

Comparing a CEO to a coach would be closer, but still not quite the same.

You're just so much smarter than the rest of us. Everyone upset with the NRA for allowing WLP to misuse funds is just a dunce that was duped by those pesky Libs. It must be lonely in this fantasyland of yours.

Really? So insane that corporations have spent billions bringing in athletes to share how teams work. And who is the team leader if not the EVP. The EVP of a lobby organization is not a bureaucrat, that is what is ridiculous. That you post this shows your lack of knowledge…

jamil · Mar 4, 2024

Ingomike said:
Got it. Nothing special about Michael Jordan either, he was just the leader of a team that did great things, things never done, but it just happened while he was the leader. This line of thinking is utterly ridiculous. Not sure what it is about INGO that they cannot recognize leadership and accomplishments.

It looks to me like you using MJ as an example, to say that a person can affect the performance of an organization that the organization wouldn’t have had otherwise. And that’s true. Where your argument falls short is the dearth of evidence that WLP is to the NRA what MJ was to the Bulls. You’re free to believe on Fantasy Island that WLP is a superstar. I would argue that INGO has done more to promote the NRA over the years than anything WLP has ever done. Again, something I have not seen you agree with explicitly is the truism that the strength of the NRA is its members and supporters.

All the NRA has to do is keep the political score system up to date. Communicate it to its members, and provide contact information for current and prospective office holders, and let the members do the rest. Obviously keep the ILA going as their lobbying arm. So they can inform the members to annoy legislators who oppose legislative goals.

But, I don’t want to give you the idea that WLP did nothing good ever. He wielded the system pretty well, other than the scare tactics that went directly into my inbox trash folder. But it’s nothing that any competent leader couldn’t do, especially one who is more passionate about gun rights than he or she is about living large on that NRA money.

Ingomike · Mar 4, 2024

jamil said:
It looks to me like you using MJ as an example, to say that a person can affect the performance of an organization that the organization wouldn’t have had otherwise.

Bingo!

jamil said:
Where your argument falls short is the dearth of evidence that WLP is to the NRA what MJ was to the Bulls. You’re free to believe on Fantasy Island that WLP is a superstar. I would argue that INGO has done more to promote the NRA over the years than anything WLP has ever done. Again, something I have not seen you agree with explicitly is the truism that the strength of the NRA is its members and supporters.

There are two major inflection points in the NRA/WLP era. The state of the organization when he was hired; as I posted above, the organization was in the process of shifting from supporting gun control to shall not be infringed, WLP was on that team.

“In the 1950s, the NRA's motto was "Firearms Safety Education, Marksmanship Training, Shooting for Recreation,” according to Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America, the 2010 book by UCLA Law School professor Adam Winkler. However, in 1977—about the time a young Wayne LaPierre became an NRA employee—a conservative faction took over NRA leadership focused on guaranteeing gun ownership as a legal right for all Americans, and not just members of a "well regulated militia" as mentioned in the Second Amendment. Under new leaders, the NRA motto was changed to: “The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed.”

Then when WLP was named EVP; Under his leadership he increased the membership by 50% in just a couple of years and doubled it over his time at the helm. Under his leadership revenues increased by over 200%.

“There is some dispute as to how many NRA members there are in any given year, but there is no question that NRA membership, money, and influence have expanded dramatically over the past four decades. The NRA claimed to have 2.5 million members in 1991, when LaPierre became CEO. Membership ranks grew to 3.4 million by 1995, and are now up to roughly 5 million, according to the NRA.”

“NRA revenues have climbed from $100 million in 1995, to $228 million in 2010, and up to $337 million in 2015.”

Why can you not recognize the achievements even if you don’t like the guy? Seems irrational.

jamil said:
All the NRA has to do is keep the political score system up to date. Communicate it to its members, and provide contact information for current and prospective office holders, and let the members do the rest. Obviously keep the ILA going as their lobbying arm. So they can inform the members to annoy legislators who oppose legislative goals.

Oh yeah, it runs on autopilot.

jamil said:
But, I don’t want to give you the idea that WLP did nothing good ever. He wielded the system pretty well, other than the scare tactics that went directly into my inbox trash folder. But it’s nothing that any competent leader couldn’t do, especially one who is more passionate about gun rights than he or she is about living large on that NRA money.

Another nerd that thinks management doesn’t do anything and they are a dime a dozen…

BugI02 · Mar 4, 2024

jamil said:
I don't know what this even means. You'll have to translate it to English. Who is the "tough 2A"? Why can't they have their choice questioned? Who is saying they can't? Or they can? Why does one have to know a lobbyist personally?

Moreover, why would one want to? Modern day money changers

BugI02 · Mar 4, 2024

jamil said:
It's all typed out in gibberish. What/who is the "tough 2A"? That doesn't even make any sense.

The sense I'm getting is replace 'tough 2A' with 'those talking tough about 2A', kind of like if we don't want to release the silk suit kraken then we don't really want to do all possible to defend the 2A

foszoe · Mar 4, 2024

Just watched Oppenheimer. Minus a couple of scenes that could have been skipped as they added nothing to the movie, thought it was a Best Picture Candidate to warrent watching. Something I very seldom say.

Anyway, I think WLP reminds me of the AEC guy trying to get on the cabinet by a vast web of deceipt stretching over years.

When I hear Mike defending WLP, I now see that old guy.

Too many people conflate the NRA with the NRA-ILA. Now I won't pretend to know all the ins and outs of NRA politics but one can give to the NRA-ILA independently of supporting the NRA. That's what I chose to do.

WLP wasn't mission critical to NRA lobbying efforts, I don't think. But the public face of a movement should be more impeccable. Of course I have said the same thing about Trump.

jamil · Mar 4, 2024

BugI02 said:
The sense I'm getting is replace 'tough 2A' with 'those talking tough about 2A', kind of like if we don't want to release the silk suit kraken then we don't really want to do all possible to defend the 2A

That makes sense. If that's the case, it seems to confirm to me that the entire dispute stems from whether one thinks WLP is/was the embodiment of the NRA (a superstar among .org executives) or whether the members and supporters are actually the real strength behind the NRA. I have to suspect that Mike believes the former, because he acts personally offended that people reject someone he thinks is a hero.

Expat · Mar 10, 2024

Looks like the NRA has decided to tell us all to **** off.

Nepotism Lives On At The NRA -

One might be under the impression that the NRA has cleaned up its act, put new procedures in place,…

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BugI02 · Mar 10, 2024

It's kind of become a microcosm of the swamp. If that's what having a lobbyist as chief executive gets us, time to change the whole structure of the organization

As I've said before, the strength of the NRA was in delivering votes for and against politicians and getting members to contact their reps with opinions for or against legislation. The steel fist in the glove was 'vote the way we want or your replacement will'

They were always small potatoes in the bribe legislators space so I just don't see the need to be a traditional log-rolling lobbying shop headed by a swamp creature ever again

DadSmith · Mar 15, 2024

KellyinAvon · Mar 16, 2024

DadSmith said:

When you're go-to quote at 2:30 is Jeff Knox's opinion on anything? I am done here.

Twangbanger · Mar 16, 2024

If you think "gratuitous wife-gifts" outside the person's salary are a necessary form of "rat-hair" in the balance sheet of an organization, in order to function effectively, then define it as a form of "incentive compensation." Ie, grow the membership by 20% - you get $1M worth of rat-fur coats for your wife. Grow membership 40% - she gets $2M in rat-fur coats. Etc.

In the absence of such an explicit incentive-compensation arrangement, it is understood by all concerned that the rat-fur coats are supposed to come out of your paycheck. Not the Members' dues.

WLP seems to agree he didn't abide by the "% Rat-hair" specification. Which is why he's agreeing to give the money back. So he's a crook by his own admission. Granted, he didn't use the word crook. But when you get into millions, that satisfies most people's definition of crook.

Identifying it as a form of incentive-compensation, and setting a limit on it, like the percentage of Rat-fur in Wheaties - is honest.

Putting it on the organization's books through subterfuge is stealing. Full stop.

gregr · Mar 17, 2024

Kirk Freeman said:
Finally. Wayne is out. It is about time.

Wayne LaPierre announces resignation as NRA chief

Longtime National Rifle Association CEO and executive vice president Wayne LaPierre announced his resignation from the NRA after more than three decades serving as its chief.

www.foxnews.com

I have no problem with LaPierre, and I will not join the leftist creatin's in bashing him or NRA.

Gabriel · Mar 18, 2024

Ingomike · Mar 18, 2024

Gabriel said:
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Should we throw away all the good the NRA has done with it?

Gabriel · Mar 18, 2024

Ingomike said:
Should we throw away all the good the NRA has done with it?

Yes.

Wayne LaPierre Resigns

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