Where to get narcan? (preferably free)

J Galt · Feb 18, 2024

Cameramonkey said:
Yes.

And remember. You can be sued for pretty much anything.

They may not succeed. But…

They may not succeed. But…you and your family can still be financially ruined and endure months of undeserved stress.

Go through the stress of the frivolous lawsuit. Place that stress on your family. Then possibly be financially ruined by the frivolous lawsuit. Have your family suffer the results of the lawsuit and financial ruin.

We all have choices to make. Make the choice with the clear understanding of the possible consequences.

A risk-benefit analysis should be based on reality.

If your family is worth the risk of ruin for the possibility of reviving an opiate overdose, then I sincerely wish you the best.

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Tangent:
This is like the family that is housing 4 illegal immigrants. It is very possible that everything will be fine and these are hard working people looking for a better life by entering a country illegally. They will succeed and repay the people years later. It is also possible that it will go horribly awry.

MSN

Or like the woman who allowed a homeless guy into her home to shower. It could have been a lovely gesture that went well where an act of kindness was all that was needed for him to turn his life around. Or ........

https://www.foxnews.com/us/utah-wom...she-let-into-her-home-to-take-a-shower-police

A risk-benefit analysis should be based on reality.

Hawkeye · Feb 18, 2024

J Galt said:
Yes. You most certainly do rely on the ethics and morals of the OD's family.

I actually went to the law and read it. I respect you going to a source (lawyer office) to try and get some facts. However, if you notice the preview for your link, it literally says "If you are being sued for helping at the scene of an accident or medical emergency, call ......." This literally implies that you can be sued for helping during a medical emergency.

Just because there is a law does not mean there is not a sneaky lawyer that will find a loophole to pursue a lawsuit.

They can still bring a suit and send you a threatening letter demanding you settle. A reasonable response would be to hire a lawyer (an expense) to defend yourself. Even if it is frivolous, you and your family will still have expense and stress.

That's right, there are no frivolous lawsuits. I'm sorry. I forgot.

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As far as would I render bystander help or not, there are too many variables, and "what ifs," that go into that to provide a blanket answer. It is not reasonable to say just yes, or just no.

Just 2 extreme examples to illustrate a point:

If I am in a bad neighborhood at night, I doubt that I am stopping to linger.

If it is a friend, I will likely do what I can to help.

Having said that I know a guy (he will remain nameless) who broke a bone while at his good friend's home. The friend tried to help. That guy sued his "friend" and won a LARGE amount of money.

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I am not suggesting anyone should, or should not, take any course of action. What I am suggesting is that you have a reality based view of what could happen.

it literally says "If you are being sued for helping at the scene of an accident or medical emergency, call ......." This literally implies that you can be sued for helping during a medical emergency.

Chill buddy. No where did I say they couldn't sue you. But the wouldn't be any point since the can't recover anything from you. Check your own personal liability coverage (often included in your homeowners policy) to see if you have attorney coverage. But chill out.

J Galt · Feb 18, 2024

Hawkeye said:
Chill buddy. No where did I say they couldn't sue you. But the wouldn't be any point since the can't recover anything from you. Check your own personal liability coverage (often included in your homeowners policy) to see if you have attorney coverage. But chill out.

The point I'm making isn't what they do / don't recover from you. It's that the process (the OD family bringing a lawsuit against you) would be the punishment. It will cost you money to hire a lawyer. A pending lawsuit, for most people, is added stress as well.

Even if they (OD family) don't win, the person trying to help will pay a price.

Part of what you wrote was "You don't rely on clarity or goodwill of the od's family. The good Samaritan law acts as a shield for someone providing assistance such as first aid." This is bad information (no offense). This gives the illusion that the law will protect (shield) someone who acts in a way to sincerely try and help. This is not the case. You make the case this law is a shield then post a link that literally contradicts that. :ugh:

Maybe you meant shield as something different than protection.

We make decisions based on information gathered. If someone decides to help, based on the false belief that there is a law shielding them, they could irrevocably change their life and the lives of their family.

MrSmitty · Feb 20, 2024

My daughter started a go fund me page to help us with funeral expenses, and she has raised enough to pay for the cremation, and service, I did not post here because I don’t want to take advantage of the wonderful people here. Your kind words, prayers, and thoughts are all I needed from you all, tomorrow is my stepson’s funeral, and it will be hard. Please keep us in your prayers tomorrow to help my wife, he was her first born, he was 41. God bless all those here!

DoggyDaddy · Feb 21, 2024

MrSmitty said:
My daughter started a go fund me page to help us with funeral expenses, and she has raised enough to pay for the cremation, and service, I did not post here because I don’t want to take advantage of the wonderful people here. Your kind words, prayers, and thoughts are all I needed from you all, tomorrow is my stepson’s funeral, and it will be hard. Please keep us in your prayers tomorrow to help my wife, he was her first born, he was 41. God bless all those here!

Prayers for God's comfort and strength for all of you as you go through this MrSmitty.

mom45 · Feb 21, 2024

You will all be in my prayers today as well.

TheGrumpyGuy · Feb 21, 2024

Prayers sent

jagee · Feb 22, 2024

We're going to have them at all of our job sites. Provided by:

Substance Use Disorder Help and Prevention - Overdose Lifeline

Overdose Lifeline is a nonprofit that aims to bring awareness and help those affected by substance use disorder and prevent use before it starts.

www.overdoselifeline.org

CHCRandy · Feb 22, 2024

MrSmitty said:
I had to find my step son today face down in his room, the demons beat him into submission, we think it was drugs, I had my fights with him, but never did I want this… our hearts are broken, please pray for my family

My sincere condolences. I will be praying for your family. All I can say is I know how you all feel. I am so sorry that you have joined our club. It is a true shame that we lose a loaded 747 of people every day to this.

CHCRandy · Feb 22, 2024

J Galt said:
Not free. Paid for by you and me. Taxpayers.

Not overly sure you are correct. I know Indiana got $100's of millions in the opioid lawsuit settlements....part of which provides Naloxone.

J Galt said:
I suppose what it comes to, for me, is that I do not have the same confidence in the family of someone who has an opiate addiction that you seem to have. No offence and I am making an assumption.

From my perspective, I am financially responsible for my family. I am not willing to put our finances at risk. A risk based on the hope that the family of a person, who passed from a drug addiction, will have the clarity to understand that I truly meant the best and will not pursue a civil case against me for money.

If it is a friend who has a legitimate medical condition and inadvertently took too much medication, then that is a different scenario.

I can respect your decision to intervene and not agree with it. If I'm there, I will testify as a character witness that you apparently acted with good intent at any civil case.

Let's hope your family never needs saved......and if they do, let's hope the next ******* is not as callous as you.

J Galt · Feb 22, 2024

CHCRandy said:
Not overly sure you are correct. I know Indiana got $100's of millions in the opioid lawsuit settlements....part of which provides Naloxone.

You may be right. At some level though, state employees were involved with the administrative work and labor to distribute these. So part of it was from tax money. Again, you may be right, lawsuits may have paid for the actual meds.

CHCRandy said:
Let's hope your family never needs saved......and if they do, let's hope the next ******* is not as callous as you.

Step out of your emotions.

How do you know they are not already more callous than the a$$h0le typing this sentence?

I did not say I would definitely not help, just that I am not likely to and that you need a realistic risk / benefit analysis. In a prior post I wrote: If I am in a bad neighborhood at night, I doubt that I am stopping to linger.

Doubt is the key word.

Having said that, I have actually stopped to help people ~6 times over the years. One time did include performing an invasive technique. Today, I will not likely stop to help, it will involve a risk / benefit analysis.

You are a better person than me and I will have to live with that realization for the rest of my life. I hope I can cope with this knowledge. Sir, you have signaled that your virtue is superior to mine.

As far as my family needing help for an opiate overdose, I'll withhold comment out of consideration for a member who is dealing with this.

Gunaddict · Feb 22, 2024

There are some counties that you can go get it from police and fire stations. I even think they have it in some sort of vending machines?

WebSnyper · Feb 24, 2024

J Galt said:
You may be right. At some level though, state employees were involved with the administrative work and labor to distribute these. So part of it was from tax money. Again, you may be right, lawsuits may have paid for the actual meds.

Step out of your emotions.

How do you know they are not already more callous than the a$$h0le typing this sentence?

I did not say I would definitely not help, just that I am not likely to and that you need a realistic risk / benefit analysis. In a prior post I wrote: If I am in a bad neighborhood at night, I doubt that I am stopping to linger.

Doubt is the key word.

Having said that, I have actually stopped to help people ~6 times over the years. One time did include performing an invasive technique. Today, I will not likely stop to help, it will involve a risk / benefit analysis.

You are a better person than me and I will have to live with that realization for the rest of my life. I hope I can cope with this knowledge. Sir, you have signaled that your virtue is superior to mine.

As far as my family needing help for an opiate overdose, I'll withhold comment out of consideration for a member who is dealing with this.

Unfortunately the member you are engaging with now has been/is dealing with it as well. (Not me, Randy)

It's tough to deal with on all sides. I don't understand someone getting hooked into these drugs, but on the other hand I hope to never be able to comprehend having a child or other loved one go down that road either.

J Galt · Feb 24, 2024

WebSnyper said:
Unfortunately the member you are engaging with now has been/is dealing with it as well. (Not me, Randy)

It's tough to deal with on all sides. I don't understand someone getting hooked into these drugs, but on the other hand I hope to never be able to comprehend having a child or other loved one go down that road either.

I'm sorry to hear that. Perhaps if he mentioned that I would have withheld comment on that as well. -- ". . . I'll withhold comment out of consideration for a member who is dealing with this." [From my prior post.]

It is tough to deal with on all sides (agree 100%). This is a societal problem with no fast, or simple, solution.

Thanks for bringing that (personal involvement) up.

ljk · Feb 25, 2024

Cameramonkey said:
Yes.

And remember. You can be sued for pretty much anything.

They may not succeed. But…

Thought you may not be charged criminally(well, also depends on where it happened), the civil side of the law can be wide open.

Just remember, only the lawyers are guarantied winners.

I'm trained for CPR and AED, I did it just for my own families.

CHCRandy · Feb 25, 2024

J Galt said:
I'm sorry to hear that. Perhaps if he mentioned that I would have withheld comment on that as well. -- ". . . I'll withhold comment out of consideration for a member who is dealing with this." [From my prior post.]

It is tough to deal with on all sides (agree 100%). This is a societal problem with no fast, or simple, solution.

Thanks for bringing that (personal involvement) up.

I am sorry for being so rude to you....anyone that knows me knows that's not how I am. I know you meant no harm and you are as entitled to your opinion as anyone. I just get emotionally wound up sometimes and speak before I think.

I know most people think that someone who dies of Fentanyl is just a junkie, but I can assure you my friend, Fentanyl is an equal opportunity killer. It kills people from a month old to 65-70 years old. It kills Doctors, Lawyers, Judges, Police officers and every other walk of life. It don't care if you are 15 and experimenting with a pill for your first time or if you are an experienced drug user. It don't care if you have 15 years of college education or if you never went to school. It don't care if you have a supportive, well to do family or an orphan.

My daughter was 26, college degree, worked for the US Government with security clearance, never missed work and most people would have never even given thought to her being a recovering addict. She was well on her way to defeating the demons and being herself again. We just never know. If someone had told me 4-5 years ago that my daughter would be an addict, let alone gone forever, I would have laughed at them. All it takes is one time of meeting the wrong "friend".

Please accept my apology J Galt....I should not have been rude to you. You do raise a serious point, and I respect that.

J Galt · Feb 26, 2024

CHCRandy said:
I am sorry for being so rude to you....anyone that knows me knows that's not how I am. I know you meant no harm and you are as entitled to your opinion as anyone. I just get emotionally wound up sometimes and speak before I think.

I know most people think that someone who dies of Fentanyl is just a junkie, but I can assure you my friend, Fentanyl is an equal opportunity killer. It kills people from a month old to 65-70 years old. It kills Doctors, Lawyers, Judges, Police officers and every other walk of life. It don't care if you are 15 and experimenting with a pill for your first time or if you are an experienced drug user. It don't care if you have 15 years of college education or if you never went to school. It don't care if you have a supportive, well to do family or an orphan.

My daughter was 26, college degree, worked for the US Government with security clearance, never missed work and most people would have never even given thought to her being a recovering addict. She was well on her way to defeating the demons and being herself again. We just never know. If someone had told me 4-5 years ago that my daughter would be an addict, let alone gone forever, I would have laughed at them. All it takes is one time of meeting the wrong "friend".

Please accept my apology J Galt....I should not have been rude to you. You do raise a serious point, and I respect that.

I accept your apology. I probably am a callous ******* by today's standards.

I'm sorry that your daughter went through that.

Frankly the blame is literally on the "physicians" that handed out opiates to literally anyone based on, obviously, flawed "research." I don't know why no one is suing them for malpractice.

For the record, I never expressed the opinion that everyone who was addicted was a junkie. My point was that families of those addicted (not necessarily you) can do things that will negatively impact your family (the person attempting to help). Possibly out of desperation. Perhaps being manipulated by unethical lawyers during times of stress. Possibly out of an opportunistic nature. Again, none of this is intended towards you; these are general statements.

Typed words do a horrible job of conveying information and intent. If we had an actual conversation you might have a slightly less bad opinion of me.

I don't take any of what you said personally.

Tactically Fat · Feb 27, 2024

It's so odd to me... Not that I know anyone's stance on it (nor do I want to, nor does this thread need it at all lest it be locked) - but that there are so many people "here" who'll fight tooth and nail to outlaw abortion because it's killing an innocent life... Yet are OK with letting people die.

I get that one is innocent and that one *MAY* be suffering the consequences of their poor choices... But the cognitive dissonance is glaring to me.

freekforge · Feb 27, 2024

Aaron's law protects you from criminal and civil liability in indiana. Just give narcan, call 911, wait for police and ems, and then cooperate when they get there and you'll be fine. Skip one or more of those and you open yourself up to liability.

I worked with my employer and talked them into getting narcan and training, AEDs and training and stop the bleed kits and training. Every building will have atleast one of each. They spent a significant amount of time debating the legal side of things but I didn't let up and now we have multiple ways to stop a preventable death.

HoughMade · Feb 27, 2024

Tactically Fat said:
It's so odd to me... Not that I know anyone's stance on it (nor do I want to, nor does this thread need it at all lest it be locked) - but that there are so many people "here" who'll fight tooth and nail to outlaw abortion because it's killing an innocent life... Yet are OK with letting people die.

I get that one is innocent and that one *MAY* be suffering the consequences of their poor choices... But the cognitive dissonance is glaring to me.

My perspective is that emergency medical treatment is emergency medical treatment.

Treat.

Where to get narcan? (preferably free)

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