Where to get narcan? (preferably free)

mcapo · Feb 17, 2024

J Galt said:
What is the personal liability for administering a medication to someone who happens to die (for whatever reason - underlying medical condition, too much drugs, expired narcan, etc.)?

Will the family of the person with the addiction thank you for your attempt to be an angel and help?

I think the reality is that if a lawsuit is filed - everyone with be named.

I am part of the group that runs a Little League park. We are now required to have Narcan available in a public location.

Your basic question was asked and, without trying to be a lawyer, the answer was less liability than not having it available.

Granted - huge difference from corporate to personal liability...but that is all I know...

mcapo · Feb 17, 2024

MrSmitty said:
I had to find my step son today face down in his room, the demons beat him into submission, we think it was drugs, I had my fights with him, but never did I want this… our hearts are broken, please pray for my family

I am unable to express the depth of my sorrow for your loss. We have stood at the precipice of such loss and peered into it - more than once. My hope is for you and your family to find a path through. Our prayers will be with you and your family.

Cameramonkey · Feb 17, 2024

J Galt said:
What is the personal liability for administering a medication to someone who happens to die (for whatever reason - underlying medical condition, too much drugs, expired narcan, etc.)?

Will the family of the person with the addiction thank you for your attempt to be an angel and help?

I believe this would fall under the good samaritan law. So you would be shielded.

Unless you are a trained medical professional. Then that law doesnt apply.

PGRChaplain · Feb 17, 2024

Mr Smitty, Please accept our Prayers and Condolences for all of you he leaves behind.

MrSmitty · Feb 17, 2024

All the thoughts, and prayers are so appreciated , and needed, It means so much to me to hear all the responses, we are dealing better with it today, the worst part is, that today is my wife's birthday, so it sucks for her. Thank you Thank you Thank you all!!

J Galt · Feb 17, 2024

Cameramonkey said:
I believe this would fall under the good samaritan law. So you would be shielded.

Unless you are a trained medical professional. Then that law doesnt apply.

When you start administering medication it seems that that would leave you open to that law being challenged.

Even if you don't lose the civil case, the cost of defending against it would cost a lot. [Edited to strikeout. No Public defender in a civil lawsuit. My bad.] ~~Unless you want to rely on a public defender.~~

J Galt · Feb 17, 2024

mcapo said:
I think the reality is that if a lawsuit is filed - everyone with be named.

I am part of the group that runs a Little League park. We are now required to have Narcan available in a public location.

Your basic question was asked and, without trying to be a lawyer, the answer was less liability than not having it available.

Granted - huge difference from corporate to personal liability...but that is all I know...

In a group setting I think you're right. The lawyers will literally name everyone even tangentially connected to a drug overdose death. They're paid 33.3% of the winnings based on contingency.

That's a reasonable qualifier - corporate versus personal liability.

Even if you don't lose a civil case as an individual, the cost of defending against it would cost a lot.

I'm probably being silly. People who overdose on opiates would never have a family that would try and sue someone trying to help just to make a buck.

Cameramonkey · Feb 17, 2024

J Galt said:
When you start administering medication it seems that that would leave you open to that law being challenged.

Even if you don't lose the civil case, the cost of defending against it would cost a lot. Unless you want to rely on a public defender.

A year or two ago I would agree with you. You would have had to take extraordinary measures to get your hands on narcan and it would have been uncommon for you to have the tool.

But now that they are over the counter (more or less) and readily available, I doubt that would fly today. It all hinges on you doing what a reasonable person with no formal training would do.

We may have to agree to disagree.

J Galt · Feb 17, 2024

Cameramonkey said:
A year or two ago I would agree with you. You would have had to take extraordinary measures to get your hands on narcan and it would have been uncommon for you to have the tool.

But now that they are over the counter (more or less) and readily available, I doubt that would fly today. It all hinges on you doing what a reasonable person with no formal training would do.

We may have to agree to disagree.

I suppose what it comes to, for me, is that I do not have the same confidence in the family of someone who has an opiate addiction that you seem to have. No offence and I am making an assumption.

From my perspective, I am financially responsible for my family. I am not willing to put our finances at risk. A risk based on the hope that the family of a person, who passed from a drug addiction, will have the clarity to understand that I truly meant the best and will not pursue a civil case against me for money.

If it is a friend who has a legitimate medical condition and inadvertently took too much medication, then that is a different scenario.

I can respect your decision to intervene and not agree with it. If I'm there, I will testify as a character witness that you apparently acted with good intent at any civil case.

Indyhd · Feb 17, 2024

Mr Smitty,
So sorry to hear of the loss of your stepson. Condolences and thoughts going out to you are your family.

Cameramonkey · Feb 17, 2024

J Galt said:
I suppose what it comes to, for me, is that I do not have the same confidence in the family of someone who has an opiate addiction that you seem to have. No offence and I am making an assumption.

From my perspective, I am financially responsible for my family. I am not willing to put our finances at risk. A risk based on the hope that the family of a person, who passed from a drug addiction, will have the clarity to understand that I truly meant the best and will not pursue a civil case against me for money.

If it is a friend who has a legitimate medical condition and inadvertently took too much medication, then that is a different scenario.

I can respect your decision to intervene and not agree with it. If I'm there, I will testify as a character witness that you apparently acted with good intent at any civil case.

Yep. To each their own. If you feel comfy intervening in a medical emergency, great. If not, nobody should be able to judge you for it.

Hawkeye · Feb 18, 2024

J Galt said:
I suppose what it comes to, for me, is that I do not have the same confidence in the family of someone who has an opiate addiction that you seem to have. No offence and I am making an assumption.

From my perspective, I am financially responsible for my family. I am not willing to put our finances at risk. A risk based on the hope that the family of a person, who passed from a drug addiction, will have the clarity to understand that I truly meant the best and will not pursue a civil case against me for money.

If it is a friend who has a legitimate medical condition and inadvertently took too much medication, then that is a different scenario.

I can respect your decision to intervene and not agree with it. If I'm there, I will testify as a character witness that you apparently acted with good intent at any civil case.

You don't rely on clarity or goodwill of the od's family. The good Samaritan law acts as a shield for someone providing assistance such as first aid. If someone had an injury and was bleeding, would you try tovcontrol/ stop the bleed? Or stand there watching them bleed out? What about not breathing ? CPR or not?

Hawkeye · Feb 18, 2024

Here is a good write up on Indiana's Good Samaritan Law.

Indiana’s Good Samaritan Laws: What You Need to Know

If you are being sued for helping at the scene of an accident or medical emergency, call Poynter & Bucheri at 1-800-265-9881 for a Free Case Review.

pb-law.com

snapping turtle · Feb 18, 2024

My personal narcan is for those I know or those who know who I know. (have two for fentanyl ) friends of family ect. With the mixing of illegal substances and the easy of getting ahold of them or being dosed at a bar or party unknowing I choose to get them and stock them in the car and SUV med kits. No need for one in the house as that stuff/people on that stuff are not allowed to cross the threshold.

I was trained on it’s use and have a certificate stating I was trained. At work in a public setting I would have to save whoever was in need after following the protocol given.

Sounds cruel but I would probably just call 911 if walking downtown streets and someone who lives there was zombie ‘d out for the count. Concerned enough to call and get the person on the side and check breathing. Let the medics do medic stuff. No personal ties to the individual but kind enough to call and help.

Seems I fall in the middle of this discussion.

indiucky · Feb 18, 2024

MrSmitty said:
All the thoughts, and prayers are so appreciated , and needed, It means so much to me to hear all the responses, we are dealing better with it today, the worst part is, that today is my wife's birthday, so it sucks for her. Thank you Thank you Thank you all!!

Brother if you need anything you got my cell.....I just heard....

J Galt · Feb 18, 2024

Hawkeye said:
You don't rely on clarity or goodwill of the od's family. The good Samaritan law acts as a shield for someone providing assistance such as first aid. If someone had an injury and was bleeding, would you try tovcontrol/ stop the bleed? Or stand there watching them bleed out? What about not breathing ? CPR or not?

Yes. You most certainly do rely on the ethics and morals of the OD's family.

I actually went to the law and read it. I respect you going to a source (lawyer office) to try and get some facts. However, if you notice the preview for your link, it literally says "If you are being sued for helping at the scene of an accident or medical emergency, call ......." This literally implies that you can be sued for helping during a medical emergency.

Just because there is a law does not mean there is not a sneaky lawyer that will find a loophole to pursue a lawsuit.

They can still bring a suit and send you a threatening letter demanding you settle. A reasonable response would be to hire a lawyer (an expense) to defend yourself. Even if it is frivolous, you and your family will still have expense and stress.

That's right, there are no frivolous lawsuits. I'm sorry. I forgot. :ugh:

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As far as would I render bystander help or not, there are too many variables, and "what ifs," that go into that to provide a blanket answer. It is not reasonable to say just yes, or just no.

Just 2 extreme examples to illustrate a point:

If I am in a bad neighborhood at night, I doubt that I am stopping to linger.
If it is a friend, I will likely do what I can to help.
- Having said that I know a guy (he will remain nameless) who broke a bone while at his good friend's home. The friend tried to help. That guy sued his "friend" and won a LARGE amount of money.

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I am not suggesting anyone should, or should not, take any course of action. What I am suggesting is that you have a reality based view of what could happen.

it literally says "If you are being sued for helping at the scene of an accident or medical emergency, call ......." This literally implies that you can be sued for helping during a medical emergency.

Aszerigan · Feb 18, 2024

MrSmitty said:
I had to find my step son today face down in his room, the demons beat him into submission, we think it was drugs, I had my fights with him, but never did I want this… our hearts are broken, please pray for my family

So sorry, man. That's terrible. Heartfelt condolences.

Shadow01 · Feb 18, 2024

My former employer used to provide certified cpr training. They stopped when their lawyers decided that a trained employee that provided improper cpr could leave the company liable because they provided the training. They even removed all written documentation from all safety training for providing aid. It only says to call 911 then call your manager.

J Galt · Feb 18, 2024

Shadow01 said:
My former employer used to provide certified cpr training. They stopped when their lawyers decided that a trained employee that provided improper cpr could leave the company liable because they provided the training. They even removed all written documentation from all safety training for providing aid. It only says to call 911 then call your manager.

This is the sad reality of things.

Cameramonkey · Feb 18, 2024

J Galt said:
This is the sad reality of things.

Yes.

And remember. You can be sued for pretty much anything.

They may not succeed. But…

Where to get narcan? (preferably free)

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