Trump 2024 — The second term

[HKFaninCarmel]

This doesn't sound like sound reasoning. 60-40 means she got owned. Where the votes come from doesn't matter. Of course the sensibilities of urban dwellers is different from rural dwellers. She'll get trounced anywhere she goes because, nation-wide, Trump voters outnumber not-Trump voters in the GOP.


See? Even you think she shouldn't be in it. Her whole strategy is to help Democrats take Trump out of the race so that she can benefit from that. It's her prerogative. It's self-serving. Which she has a right to. But should she? You've answered that with the highlighted. And yeah. That's kinda hilarious.

Show me that last person to drop out after getting 40% in a primary. It's not owned.

I do think she WILL stay in longer than she should. That doesn't mean she obviously should now. I think her reasoning is to provide an alternative to Trump and to get delegates, as I mentioned. Why does she so threaten you?

 

[KLB]

I'm not saying she will win or that her chances are improving. I've stated why I think she will stay in longer than she should: to get delegates if Trump can't be the nominee. If she has the funds and momentum to stay in, that's her prerogative.

That is silly. Those delegates will mean little to nothing if Trump is unable to take the nomination. His delegates will not vote for her. They would likely shift to DeSantis or Ramaswamy. There is likely no scenario where she ends up being the Republican nominee.

 

[HKFaninCarmel]

That is silly. Those delegates will mean little to nothing if Trump is unable to take the nomination. His delegates will not vote for her. They would likely shift to DeSantis or Ramaswamy. There is likely no scenario where she ends up being the Republican nominee.

That's all speculation.

 

[Ingomike]

Show me that last person to drop out after getting 40% in a primary. It's not owned.

Show me the last person that didn’t drop out after getting trounced by 20% in the state they were once governor of? It’s not up for grabs.


Edit: And 54% of whose former constituents said they did not want her as nominee.

 

[KLB]

That's all speculation.

Really? It is no more speculation than your comment.

What makes you think that any of them would turn their votes to Haley? If Trump is alive, I imagine they would vote for whomever Trump supported. That sure as heck won't be Haley. If not, they would vote for someone more aligned to what Trump stands for. Again, not Haley.

Both of them have suspended their campaigns. They have not removed their names from consideration.

 

[foszoe]

You're using a lot of determiners there, that I don't know what you're referring to. I guess I'll assume you're referring to the difference between sacrilegious and presumptuous. But, you know you just asked for a long post. What follows is on you.

I'm looking at it from a secular definition. My understanding of sacrilegious in the most simple terms; it is disrespecting that which is sacred. Could be out of intent. Could be out of negligence. But, I think sacrilege involves at least some element of intent. Desecration is similar, but you can desecrate something sacred accidentally. Like accidentally walking through tribal burial grounds, when you had no reasonable cause to know that the land is sacred to someone. You can't disrespect something you had no reasonable opportunity to know is sacred.

Presumptuous, is taking liberties that aren't due. Like presuming you'll get a promotion without signals that you would. Or presuming to know whose side God is on or not on, for a given person. I think it's just as much a presumption that God is not on someone's side as it is that he is on someone's side. Logically, if one thinks it's sacrilege to say God is on Trump's side, they must also believe it's sacrilege to say he's not. Either way, they presume what God's thoughts are.

Okay, so is it sacrilege, i.e., disrespecting the sacred, to say God is on someone's side? Let's turn the examples around. Was the DeSantis commercial sacrilegious? It's definitely at least presumptuous. Is presumptions about sacred things sacrilegious? I think one could argue that taking undue liberties about what is sacred (if God's opinion about whose side he's on is sacred) is sacrilegious, but I think that's gonna be subjective. But hey. Your religion is your belief. Your religion gets to make up its rules about what is sacrilegious. Like I said, this is a secular take on it.

It was your decision to choose the adverb sanctimoniously that had me scratching my head.

 

[printcraft]

She’s still there because she’s counting on taking that cash with her. Someone is making her promises of more to come.

 

[foszoe]

Its a political forum. Without speculation, it sure would be quiet in here.

 

[printcraft]

Its a political forum. Without speculation, it sure would be quiet in here.

You may be right.

 

[Ingomike]

You may be right.

That is pure speculation, foz is never right…

 

[R3p1lc3]

That's all speculation.

Pretty solid from where I sit..

 

[BugI02]

Show me that last person to drop out after getting 40% in a primary. It's not owned.

I do think she WILL stay in longer than she should. That doesn't mean she obviously should now. I think her reasoning is to provide an alternative to Trump and to get delegates, as I mentioned. Why does she so threaten you?

Hey, Nikki!

 

[HKFaninCarmel]

Really? It is no more speculation than your comment.

What makes you think that any of them would turn their votes to Haley? If Trump is alive, I imagine they would vote for whomever Trump supported. That sure as heck won't be Haley. If not, they would vote for someone more aligned to what Trump stands for. Again, not Haley.

Both of them have suspended their campaigns. They have not removed their names from consideration.

I'm not citing speculation as fact, either.

I think Haley's pitch would be electability. I'm not her Press Secretary, just the only one whose blood pressure isn't spiking that she is still in the race. Trump's people can change directions quickly. Heck, I hear they even drink Bud Light now.

 

[HKFaninCarmel]

Show me the last person that didn’t drop out after getting trounced by 20% in the state they were once governor of? It’s not up for grabs.


Edit: And 54% of whose former constituents said they did not want her as nominee.

I googled the last President to lose their home state by >20% and you'll never guess who I found...

 

[foszoe]

I googled the last President to lose their home state by >20% and you'll never guess who I found...

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I didn't want to bring that up because the response will be it wasn't a primary. And it is a valid response. However, now that I posted it, it must be an incorrect conclusion based on @Ingomike 's axiom

 

[Ingomike]

I didn't want to bring that up because the response will be it wasn't a primary. And it is a valid response. However, now that I posted it, it must be an incorrect conclusion based on @Ingomike 's axiom

It was not my question but he is free to answer any questions he has.

 

[Ingomike]

I googled the last President to lose their home state by >20% and you'll never guess who I found...

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I bet Haley would do better than that there since she has exhibited leftist tendencies. If the outcome was any different I would question Trump and why…

 

[KLB]

I didn't want to bring that up because the response will be it wasn't a primary. And it is a valid response. However, now that I posted it, it must be an incorrect conclusion based on @Ingomike 's axiom

Yep

Donald Trump won the 2016 New York Republican presidential primary with 59% of the vote and 89 pledged delegates. He won over all age groups, income levels, and political ideologies, with most voters supporting Trump's proposed ban on Muslim immigration to the United States.

 

[printcraft]

I was shocked to learn that new york voted for a demoncrat in the general election like they have done pretty much every time.
Shocked!

I'm going to go out on a limb and say President Trump won't win new york in 2024.
I know, it's a longshot that he won't win it, but I have this funny feeling...

 

[foszoe]

I was shocked to learn that new york voted for a demoncrat in the general election like they have done pretty much every time.
Shocked!

I'm going to go out on a limb and say President Trump won't win new york in 2024.
I know, it's a longshot that he won't win it, but I have this funny feeling...

Is it like a tingling in your leg?